Race Tracking Your Supra - Information exchange

[tomfree]

I had CG-Lock devices back in the day. I sold mine years ago, and I believe the company is no more. However, there are tons of options for devices folks use to synch in child seats that can be adapted.

I scoot the seat back a couple of inches, pull the seatbelt to lock, hold in place, and scoot the seat forwards. I can do it consistently in Supra, so I haven't had to look for something like the CG-Lock

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[DC5UPRA]

One like Chuck linked above and moving my seat back, pull quick to lock it & scooting it forward does wonders for keeping you tight. Doesn’t beat a real race seat ofc. But in the meantime ?

I had CG-Lock devices back in the day. I sold mine years ago, and I believe the company is no more. However, there are tons of options for devices folks use to synch in child seats that can be adapted.

I scoot the seat back a couple of inches, pull the seatbelt to lock, hold in place, and scoot the seat forwards. I can do it consistently in Supra, so I haven't had to look for something like the CG-Lock

Thanks for the tips will have to try that. Like some, just looking to utilize the car as is mostly.

 

[DC5UPRA]

I still can't get the seatbelt to lock using any of the methods suggested. If I pull it fast, yes it'll lock but any release in pressure whether forward or back will unlock it. It doesn't have the ratcheting sound at all so think I need to pull the panel off and look at.

Passeneger side locks as expected if pulled all the way out and you'll hear the ratcheting sound. Wont unlock until fully retracted as expected.

 

[tg_mkv]

Holy shit Tom is spot on!!!! It takes lots and lots of track days to get more comfortable & confident with the car. A new driver can add a ton of stuff but it won’t matter until they get the feel with their ass & dead pedal on what to do at high speed.

Eventually steering input corrections, brake & throttle modulation becomes natural and awareness of other cars around you, then you start thinking about slicks & coilovers, imo. Fresh good brake fluid, pads, steel brake lines, sway bars are all great starts for now. This car is mega capable right out of the box. Making seat time being the best mod of all. Coilovers need serviced and rebuilt = downtime. Additionally you need someone to make the adjustments for you working with your feedback of what’s going on during track sessions. Ride height, spring rates, etc. Unless you’re really versed at suspension track setups, you may not get the right adjustments/ benefit after they are installed.

I agree, still have a ways to ago in understanding this car and learning its limits on the track, especially when it comes to taking the right lines and braking more efficiently. So like you said I'm just gonna save the money for some more instructed track days.

But yeah the caveman brain also wants to spend money on fancy upgrades right out of the gate ?

 

[FLtrackdays]

I agree, still have a ways to ago in understanding this car and learning its limits on the track, especially when it comes to taking the right lines and braking more efficiently. So like you said I'm just gonna save the money for some more instructed track days.

But yeah the caveman brain also wants to spend money on fancy upgrades right out of the gate ?

So easy to do. Was telling another guy that asked the same thing this past weekend. Seat time is really the best investment of all, after fluid, pads, tires.

Have you considered a Garmin Catalyst? It shows you areas you can concentrate & improve on. Even has a voice coach while driving. Tons of data you can review on the unit and app (below) while at the track.

Multiple datapoints compared to your optimal or “friends” that share with you. Don’t have to wait to offload it, able to view on the fly, between sessions, whatever. Really makes it easy.

Once you get your variance down (like Tower Turn below ), then you start looking at what else you can to do to the car. I’ve got a lot of time left on the table. So that’ll be my focus. Improving on my schlopy driving (braking harder & later above is a good example where he was much faster) & more consistency.

 

[tomfree]

^^^^A very useful tool^^^^

I don't have a Catalyst, but I used a friend's on my first OLOA in '22. Video quality was excellent, having the analytics right there, available immediately after the session was really nice. Since the time trial sessions are so short, it's not enough laps to get the voice coaching started.

 

[razorlab]

Multiple datapoints compared to your optimal or “friends” that share with you. Don’t have to wait to offload it, able to view on the fly, between sessions, whatever. Really makes it easy.

That's not accurate. The view you are showing with the overlay is only available in the mobile app, which you can't see until you sync the Garmin unit to the cloud. Which sometimes can be a bit hard as wifi at the track or using your phone as a hotspot can be a bit hit or miss. So you def have to wait to offload it for that feature.

The mobile app is probably the most powerful part of the product. I don't know why they don't put that functionality into the device. It's just a fancy Android tablet anyway.

 

[Vertex]

So easy to do. Was telling another guy that asked the same thing this past weekend. Seat time is really the best investment of all, after fluid, pads, tires.

Have you considered a Garmin Catalyst? It shows you areas you can concentrate & improve on. Even has a voice coach while driving. Tons of data you can review on the unit and app (below) while at the track.

Multiple datapoints compared to your optimal or “friends” that share with you. Don’t have to wait to offload it, able to view on the fly, between sessions, whatever. Really makes it easy.

Once you get your variance down (like Tower Turn below ), then you start looking at what else you can to do to the car. I’ve got a lot of time left on the table. So that’ll be my focus. Improving on my schlopy driving (braking harder & later above is a good example where he was much faster) & more consistency.

After my first track day last September with my buddy who had one of these I can say that if I was able to go to the track more often than I will have the opportunity to I would highly recommend the Garmin Catalyst. It is awesome being able to review stuff so quick and it show you how to optimize spots where you could be doing better as you stated. I did notice that it seems to overheat fairly easy though at least the one day that he was running it even though it wasn't THAT warm of a day though. Not sure if that is a typical problem he has or not though @Traxion could provide more info if there is anything missed in your comment

 

[kungfujedis]

I haven't taken them on a long trip yet, but i went on a 20 minute drive of various speeds (up to about 65). I stopped many times to check the adhesion, and they didn't budge. I did some moderate cornering on a cloverleaf and some moderately aggressive braking, no signs of movement. I left them on overnight to see if the suctions would loosen at all, and it didn't. I'll be driving about 4-5 hours to VIR on the 21st with the setup, I won't be using it until then. I'll be sure to update afterwards.

Roof rack update: Drove 5 hours each way to VIR with no issues. Buddy following me didn't see it so much as twitch. Long stretches at 80ish MPH.

 

[FLtrackdays]

After my first track day last September with my buddy who had one of these I can say that if I was able to go to the track more often than I will have the opportunity to I would highly recommend the Garmin Catalyst. It is awesome being able to review stuff so quick and it show you how to optimize spots where you could be doing better as you stated. I did notice that it seems to overheat fairly easy though at least the one day that he was running it even though it wasn't THAT warm of a day though. Not sure if that is a typical problem he has or not though @Traxion could provide more info if there is anything missed in your comment

I’m no Garmin expert by any means. In fact I attended a free help session this past weekend is why I’m extra hyped on it ?. One of the guys, in the timed series I was in, was able to show me lots of things I wasn’t accessing.

It’s definitely nowhere close to what Bryan is doing. That’s some badass data crunching beyond my pay grade stuff. For a more simplistic weekend warrior like myself, it’s easy to use and sync via wifi hotspot from my phone. I’m not competing professionally or shaving off one hundredths but tenths off my times by using it. And it gives a nice overlay video very easily as well.

Roof rack update: Drove 5 hours each way to VIR with no issues. Buddy following me didn't see it so much as twitch. Long stretches at 80ish MPH.

Wow! Is that suction cupped on there?

 

[Mori]

Does anyone know if upgrading to SPL/Verkline sway bar endlinks provide any benefit if you're still on OEM stock swaybars?

 

[razorlab]

Does anyone know if upgrading to SPL/Verkline sway bar endlinks provide any benefit if you're still on OEM stock swaybars?

If lowered or using struts with endlink attachment points in a different location than OEM, it allows you to adjust the sway bar preload.

 

[tomfree]

Does anyone know if upgrading to SPL/Verkline sway bar endlinks provide any benefit if you're still on OEM stock swaybars?

They won't provide any additional roll stiffness, they're just a little more direct because of the spherical ends...With OEM sways it would be REALLY hard to determine a tangible improvement to handling. They will be noisier, though.

Your real driver is the ability to adjust the end link length to allow it to reach other holes in an adjustable sway bar, and/or ride height changes with springs/coilovers.

 

[Gabe]

Does anyone know if upgrading to SPL/Verkline sway bar endlinks provide any benefit if you're still on OEM stock swaybars?

I did ask this yesterday and was told that in principle, on adjustable springs, getting adjustable links will be beneficial because the car can be weight/tension balanced.

But they told me that on OEM suspension, the benefit will be negligible.

or, at least, that’s how I understood.

I decided to add an aftermarket better front sway bar because it seemed to me that the extra expense was worth it since the car was being balanced and I didn’t want to introduce another variable that would require additional balancing work in the future.

EDIT: was beaten on the answer w better explanation.

 

[razorlab]

I did ask this yesterday and was told that in principle, on adjustable springs, getting adjustable links will be beneficial because the car can be weight/tension balanced.

But they told me that on OEM suspension, the benefit will be negligible.

or, at least, that’s how I understood.

I decided to add an aftermarket better front sway bar because it seemed to me that the extra expense was worth it since the car was being balanced and I didn’t want to introduce another variable that would require additional balancing work in the future.

EDIT: was beaten on the answer w better explanation.

What size bar did you get? What suspension? I would advise to not go too large in the front. I had the cusco and had a bit too much push than I wanted. Then went to a whiteline, which is the same size as oem, but solid. Most of the push went away.

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