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Discussion in 'General Automotive & Other Vehicle Talk' started by black-supra, Feb 3, 2016.
Damn,I just saw the AE86
Man, I test drive one, it was so fucking slow...granted I’m at 6500 feet above sea level. Most na cars suck up here.
That being said, I come from many turbo car background, the 86 just was such a disappointment when driving it to me. I hope it’s better at sea level for most of the people who actually buy them.
It’s straight line slow, but fun to corner and row through the gears at higher rpms. But I’m below sea level, with zero elevation changes...
I think the 86/BRZ is an excellent car for a beginning enthusiast to learn vehicle dynamics and control. Ditch the stock bicycle tires for a some real rubber, and it's good fun.... as long as the road is twisty enough.
We’ve got a TRD manual 86 on the lot now, revised springs, dampers and rubber that I love. But at 34k and 200hp I’m going to love it for a long time...
Were you driving up or downhill?
Yeah, that's ridiculous haha.
The TRD GT86 is completely not worth it. I love the car and it’s totally fine in the standard trim. The four-pot front brakes and two-pot rears are all that it needs as an option package on the standard model. Okay, and better tires and maybe a swaybar and damper kit.
But all of that does not equal $34k. Certainly not with the same 200hp.
When it gets redesigned, IF it is getting redesigned it needs 250hp/200tq. That would change people’s minds.
As it is now... not a bad car at all. Loads of fun and even practical. It’s not for everyone but that doesn’t help the reality that Toyota needs to sell more of them.
Flat... they have no power here, at all. At the average of 3% hp loss per 1000ft, that engine loses 40hp at my altitude of 6500ft. 160hp car is not fast at all... but our market doesn’t mean shit to Toyota. That’s why I’m excited to see a turbo Toyota again! Really excited. I hope the turbo can be boosted up but able to stay in efficiency range for 6500 feet to make up for the lost power
IIRC, the twins had a 10 yr cycle. Without any major power increase, only cosmetic and handling upgrades, consumers are not stupid. Sales have been dropping for a reason.
It's a very capable car at that power
No doubt, so are Miatas. The numbers don't lie and the honeymoon ended quickly. Did Toyota and Subaru have a successful run, many would say yes. To me, I immediately lost interest when 1)Toyota announced that it was teaming up with Subaru and building from their parts bin 2)Announced that the Toyota GT86 was going under the Scion brand and 3)Since it was under Scion, no RC Spec and fixed pricing.
2016 (Including FR-S) 7,457
Since the twins were a disappointment, I went ahead a bought a 55K mile 6 speed TT MKIV Supra for about the same price as a fully spec'd BRZ or FR-S with with a TRD body kit in 2011. This was when used MKIV's were available w/out the price they are now. It was when Paul Walker died when all of the FnF fanboys wanted the MKIV. It was factory wingless too but I ended up installing a factory wing. One mistake that I regret since factory wingless are more rare.
I posted these links in the S-FR thread as well but this is pretty significant. If true, the second gen GT86 and BRZ may actually not be happening. But Subaru and Toyota may still want to do another car together... just not another generation of the 86. Speculation abound.
Edit: Ah, dang. I only just now saw the recent posts in this thread confirming the same:
Tried telling people people there is no gen 2 in the works