Spool and Dorch HPFP upgrades

[EddieNel]

You got me convinced! Turbo and PI and down pipe!

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[razorlab]

If some people don’t understand the increased complexity of an additional fuel rail, connections, six more injectors, and a electrical box controller with all sorts of wiring compared to a simple bolt on HPFP I just don’t know what to say. It's like 10 failure points versus 1.

Not everyone is a drag racer shooting for a billion horsepower. In fact, it’s a very very very small percentage.

 

[black_sedan]

Full e85 capability on stock turbo seems like its feasible with just the HPFP. I agree that PI is the better value if you want to make more power and room to grow, but you're still spending $2k for PI + Reflex vs $2k for the upgraded HPFP.

Im not wanting to upgrade the trans anyways, so at $2k for a plug and play pump that will allow me to run e85 on stock turbo would work for me

 

[razorlab]

Full e85 capability on stock turbo seems like its feasible with just the HPFP. I agree that PI is the better value if you want to make more power and room to grow, but you're still spending $2k for PI + Reflex vs $2k for the upgraded HPFP.

Im not wanting to upgrade the trans anyways, so at $2k for a plug and play pump that will allow me to run e85 on stock turbo would work for me

PI is more than $2k for sure. Don't have a manifold? Then you need to buy a port injection plate and an aftermarket charge pipe.

Port injection plate: $900
Charge pipe: $270
Reflex PnP kit: $1,500
ID injectors: $800

$3,740

+ labor
+ someone to tune reflex for you
+ Ecutek
+ ECU and cloning for 2021+

^ that last bit is another couple thousand bucks alone.

 

[black_sedan]

PI is more than $2k for sure. Don't have a manifold? Then you need to buy a port injection plate and an aftermarket charge pipe.

Port injection plate: $900
Charge pipe: $270
Reflex PnP kit: $1,500
ID injectors: $800

$3,740

+ labor
+ someone to tune reflex for you

Ive seen the plates + injectors around $1400 plus reflex at $700. I completely forgot about the harness and charge pipe. Thanks!

 

[razorlab]

Ive seen the plates + injectors around $1400 plus reflex at $700. I completely forgot about the harness and charge pipe. Thanks!

Don't forget that Ecutek is the only current offering to support CAN inputs from reflex so if you are a 2021+, add a couple thousand more bucks for ecu and cloning.

 

[_Sp1ral0ut]

Don't forget that Ecutek is the only current offering to support CAN inputs from reflex so if you are a 2021+, add a couple thousand more bucks for ecu and cloning.

Probably a dumb question and I'm sure I know the answer, but decided to second guess myself. Yeah, I always overthink shit. Can MHD (without clone) handle HPFP/injectors?

 

[razorlab]

Probably a dumb question and I'm sure I know the answer, but decided to second guess myself. Yeah, I always overthink shit. Can MHD (without clone) handle HPFP/injectors?

I don't have personal experience here so I can't say 100% but AFAIK, all the tables you would need to modify to accommodate HPFP and injectors are in the ECU from the factory, no custom code AFAIK.

I also believe both MHD and BM3 are going to be adding end user toggles for the HPFP at least.

 

[EddieNel]

Probably a dumb question and I'm sure I know the answer, but decided to second guess myself. Yeah, I always overthink shit. Can MHD (without clone) handle HPFP/injectors?

Theirs no doubt it will but theirs no way of knowing how far you can go without a good dyno run. Oh btw I absolutely hate your avatar. No offense. I just hate it and I don’t know why!lol

 

[_Sp1ral0ut]

Oh btw I absolutely hate your avatar. No offense. I just hate it and I don’t know why!lol

It's okay. No offense taken. Not everyone can handle Arnold in cybernetic drag.

 

[zrk]

PI is more than $2k for sure. Don't have a manifold? Then you need to buy a port injection plate and an aftermarket charge pipe.

Port injection plate: $900
Charge pipe: $270
Reflex PnP kit: $1,500
ID injectors: $800

$3,740

+ labor
+ someone to tune reflex for you
+ Ecutek
+ ECU and cloning for 2021+

^ that last bit is another couple thousand bucks alone.

Reflex can run just fine as a standalone.

 

[razorlab]

Reflex can run just fine as a standalone.

That’s funny! So many times I have seen you and others say only ecutek can run it well because of the CAN integration, usually when you and others are defending Ecutek as the superior solution.

I guess if it fits the current narrative…

 

[Thraxbert]

Full e85 capability on stock turbo seems like its feasible with just the HPFP. I agree that PI is the better value if you want to make more power and room to grow, but you're still spending $2k for PI + Reflex vs $2k for the upgraded HPFP.

Im not wanting to upgrade the trans anyways, so at $2k for a plug and play pump that will allow me to run e85 on stock turbo would work for me

No, because if you look at the fine print on the website it says that "proper low pressure fueling" is critical for the operation of the HPFP. What they're saying, because they don't want to be explicit about it, is that the numbers they're claiming only apply if you upgrade the low pressure fuel system. If you do not, you're stuck at E60. The HPFP is not the bottleneck for what you want.

 

[razorlab]

No, because if you look at the fine print on the website it says that "proper low pressure fueling" is critical for the operation of the HPFP. What they're saying, because they don't want to be explicit about it, is that the numbers they're claiming only apply if you upgrade the low pressure fuel system. If you do not, you're stuck at E60. The HPFP is not the bottleneck for what you want.

Same thing with PI, no?

 

[Vimugsy011]

I recently priced out PI and to do it properly, your looking at about 4-5K installed, not including LPFP. I don't think any of us would recommend running PI on an AIC1 controller.

The proof will be in the results, right now Spool has shown 650WHP on e50 with pump alone, 750 after adding Injectors, and probably going to see over 800 with cams. Most mechanically inclined car people will be able to install these fairly easily, 20 min to install the pump?

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