The MKIV vs MKV Thread

[KahnBB6]

Interesting perspective...

I didn’t say the MKIV is an ugly car....im just saying next to a MKV, it’s age is pretty apparent when next to a modern design. “Meh old hat” isn’t something to use against anything old (2000GT), but other cars during the MKIV’s era have withstood the test of time in terms of design (300ZX, RX-7, NSX) vs. their modern counterparts. This just goes to show the FT-1 influence on the MKV.

If I had misunderstood your meaning then I apologize. I didn't mean to suggest you felt the A80 was ugly.

If we're speaking about how a new sportscar's prior era predecessor has aged in comparison then I think it makes it a little easier.

The FT-1 was a stunning concept. Its influence on the A90 is very apparent despite the big differences. However I still feel that the A80 aged very well even next to the A90. Just my opinion but I don't see it as being a dated design, just a different one compared to the lines of the A90. Both the A80 and A90 are beautiful to me and yet express themselves differently and the A80, to me, still looks visually relevant.

Now of the other cars you mentioned:

The Z32-TT short wheelbase 300ZX 90-99 is another timeless design but one that I can clearly see came from design ideas rooted in the 1980's. It would be nice to see such a shape in a new Z today but it won't happen of course. The Z33 that replaced it looked like it was influenced by the designers of the late 90's Renault Clio V6 (a *really* cool looking car but not "timeless beautiful"). The Z34 tried to work with that existing chassis and body shape a bit and did take the Z farther away from the Renault influence but as you said it still does not top the Z32 design.

The RX-7 FD is also a timeless and beautiful shape just like the A80. Mazda has not yet surpassed that car. Their JDM Cosmo from the 90's was beautiful but not on the same level as the FD RX-7. Their RX-8 wasn't even the same model of car and there is no comparison. Their current concept car design language is very nice and promising but makes me think they are making another Cosmo rather than a new RX-7.

The new NSX.... that car does unfortunately look "busy" compared to the 90-2007(?) NSX. I'd also call the 90's NSX before the flip-up headlights were done away with and the lines softened a timeless design.

It is not easy to achieve such a thing. In some decades an automaker just nails it while some of their contemporaries do not. In the next decade another automaker absolutely nails a design while the one that hit a home run a few years back cannot or will not create another visual home run.

I'm not advocating that the MKV should have looked like an MKIV btw! I like the way the MKV looks! I just see the A80's visual statement as remaining strong and relevant. If the body kit is left stock it's a beautiful car. Now outrageous body kits on MKIV's I have never liked and have always felt cheapen and ruin the visual appeal of the car.

I also do not see the current A90's body kit as being the only way it can look beautiful. I have seen one CG rendered body kit with wing in particular that both keeps with the car's theme and enhances its look.

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[Australian of The North]

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[KahnBB6]

^^ Who here is saying the MKIV TT sucks? The car is a great performance platform with great looks and has been for a very long time. For my part I happen to like the A90 also in its own right as a platform and as a great looking car and want to see what it can be made to do and what other options and trims show up during its production.

But just because the MKV exists does not mean the MKIV suddenly ceases to be relevant in any reasonable person's eyes. Last time I checked people are still enjoying and building MKIV's and these MKV's are just now getting into people's hands.

Not sure where these "angry little A90 fanboys" are of which you speak.

Then again I haven't read all but the last page of this thread so perhaps I've missed a big "MKIV or MKV is better" argument in previous pages.

And you're right-- a good product can and should stand on its own merits. How well the A90 does in all areas is what I want to observe.

 

[Bryster]

The A90 looks like a crossfitter compared to the A80

 

[PerformanceSound]

No one is talking shit about the MKIV @Australian of The North, so quit being so sensitive like the rest of the SF gang. All I am saying is (and for good reason) an older car is showing it’s age next to a newer car. This isn’t heresy....it is actually a good thing, in that Toyota got the design right with the newer car. Look what Mazda did with the RX-8, put an RX-8 and an RX-7 next to each other and the statement changes. Don’t be so sensitive anytime someone points out obvious things about the MKIV....the 2JZ and drivetrain can only mask so much on the MKIV .

 

[MA617M]

The A80 looks older parked next to an 86.

Old doesn't mean bad though.

The A61 looks old as fuck parked next to the A80, but still looks fantastic.

 

[PerformanceSound]

The A80 looks older parked next to an 86.

Old doesn't mean bad though.

The A61 looks old as fuck parked next to the A80, but still looks fantastic.

Exactly! I don’t get why people get so f**ken sensitive when someone states the obvious. No one said the MKIV looks ugly because it’s old....I said the MKIV looks outdated sitting next to a MKV. @Turbro put it perfectly when he said, “....because it’s 25yrs older.” Which is absolutely the reason why the MKIV looks outdated next to a MKV. Common sense and obvious observation with the human eyes can determine that.

Some of these MKIV fanboys need to calm the f**k down....and people wonder why I can’t stand some of them.

 

[MA617M]

The A90 does look great in person IMHO. But the nicest shape supra will always be the A60.

 

[PerformanceSound]

The A90 does look great in person IMHO. But the nicest shape supra will always be the A60.

The only “old” Toyota’s that will always be beauties in my eyes (not matter how old they get) are:

Everything else looks outdated.

 

[MA617M]

Interestingly, after two weeks of daily driving the A90, I swapped back to my A80 for this week's daily duties. Prior to collecting the A90, I was dailying the A60. I've also raced the A70 last week - so I've driven all four within a month.

Despite the wrap-around cabin of the A80, I would say the A90 feels more driver focused. you sit lower, more supported, with the dash screen dominating your view. The steering feel and response is far superior as well. There is more adjustment in the wheel position so you can get a better driving position.

My A80 also has SR-3 recaros on Bridge super low rails - so it's as low as you can get in the A80 without going custom and fixed-back or side mount seat.

Don't get me wrong. It's still a phenomenal car, but I was surprised how it felt. The almost naturally-aspirated power delivery of the A90 vs the elastic wind-up of the GTX35 on the 2JZ VVTi is very different too... and my GTX hits 23psi at 3400rpm so it's anything but laggy.

It really makes the A80 feel a product of the 90s - which by no means, is a bad thing. But as with every generation of Supra, the successor feels similar, but sharper, and more focused.

Every generation took a step towards being more sports-car focused (even though the A60 handled very well for the time and the gap between it and the A70 was really power and engineering advancements in build quality and finish).

The gap between A70 and A80 feels far closer than A60 and A70.... But the A90 really does feel like a Supra - but a modern twist on a familiar taste.

Just some random thoughts. Maybe I should do a proper review through the ages? Although the A90 is the only stock one...

 

[PerformanceSound]

Interestingly, after two weeks of daily driving the A90, I swapped back to my A80 for this week's daily duties. Prior to collecting the A90, I was dailying the A60. I've also raced the A70 last week - so I've driven all four within a month.

Despite the wrap-around cabin of the A80, I would say the A90 feels more driver focused. you sit lower, more supported, with the dash screen dominating your view. The steering feel and response is far superior as well. There is more adjustment in the wheel position so you can get a better driving position.

My A80 also has SR-3 recaros on Bridge super low rails - so it's as low as you can get in the A80 without going custom and fixed-back or side mount seat.

Don't get me wrong. It's still a phenomenal car, but I was surprised how it felt. The almost naturally-aspirated power delivery of the A90 vs the elastic wind-up of the GTX35 on the 2JZ VVTi is very different too... and my GTX hits 23psi at 3400rpm so it's anything but laggy.

It really makes the A80 feel a product of the 90s - which by no means, is a bad thing. But as with every generation of Supra, the successor feels similar, but sharper, and more focused.

Every generation took a step towards being more sports-car focused (even though the A60 handled very well for the time and the gap between it and the A70 was really power and engineering advancements in build quality and finish).

The gap between A70 and A80 feels far closer than A60 and A70.... But the A90 really does feel like a Supra - but a modern twist on a familiar taste.

Just some random thoughts. Maybe I should do a proper review through the ages? Although the A90 is the only stock one...

 

[A70TTR]

My buddy drove a friend's A60 and then my 70 TTR and 80 RZ (when I still had it), and he was surprised how similar the latter two felt. The caveat is that the 70 had Grex brakes, but it was otherwise BPU same as the other.

He greatly preferred the gearing and trans of the RZ and loved the interior, but as far as performance felt they were pretty evenly matched.

He said his slick top Z32 felt quite a bit better than both though lol. Either way, he was a great tuner and driver and worked for HKS at the time.

 

[PerformanceSound]

My buddy drove a friend's A60 and then my 70 TTR and 80 RZ (when I still had it), and he was surprised how similar the latter two felt. The caveat is that the 70 had Grex brakes, but it was otherwise BPU same as the other.

He greatly preferred the gearing and trans of the RZ and loved the interior, but as far as performance felt they were pretty evenly matched.

He said his slick top Z32 felt quite a bit better than both though lol. Either way, he was a great tuner and driver and worked for HKS at the time.

I miss my Z32

 

[MA617M]

My buddy drove a friend's A60 and then my 70 TTR and 80 RZ (when I still had it), and he was surprised how similar the latter two felt. The caveat is that the 70 had Grex brakes, but it was otherwise BPU same as the other.

He greatly preferred the gearing and trans of the RZ and loved the interior, but as far as performance felt they were pretty evenly matched.

He said his slick top Z32 felt quite a bit better than both though lol. Either way, he was a great tuner and driver and worked for HKS at the time.

They really do feel similar! I suppose the suspension geometry and set-up aren't really worlds apart like the other variants...

 

[johnny_10196]

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