mkivalex
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- Alex
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- 1993 MKIV Supra TT 6SPD
I'm sure what they mean is performance first, comfort second
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I mean, take for example the Corvette right? Everyone anticipates various models of Corvettes after the base launch (i.e., Z06, ZR1, etc..) because there is a HUGE market for base Corvettes that GM doesn't need to worry about sales of the base cars initially. The Supra is different, in that most (if not all) buyers who can afford to spend $60k+ on a base car will surely be scoping the top tier car, not a base car. Me personally, I could care less for a "base" or "entry level" Supra. Defeats the whole "appeal" of the car. Ask yourself this....if a MKIV Supra was still in production, would you go for the base non-turbo, or 6spd TT? It's why everyone wants a 6spd TT to this day.^I don't see what the big deal is. Common sense that a hotter Supra is on its way. Other automakers do this as well. While the 8 series was testing BMW also put out events, teasers, and press release for the upcoming M8.
"The Supra and new BMW Z4 will share a straight-six engine and gearbox". When I read something like that, that means they will share the; block, head, transmission, and accessories. If that's not exactly the same drivetrain, I dunno what little changes would suffice them to be "different". A ECU calibration and suspension doesn't count as drivetrain.no kidding, it is pretty commonplace...when the FK8 Type R was being released plenty of folks still bought the Civic Si..
@PerformanceSound clearly there are conflicting bits of information everywhere but none of that is backed up by what Tada-san has stated in all his recent interviews. He has stated on multiple occasions that Toyota & BMW have developed separate paths which sounds like they aren't going to use the same parts bin.. Plus to be fair to the article, it is does not state the "SAME" engine will be used, it just says a 6 cylinder will be shared, they could be referring to just the layout and not the actual engine model..
I would love to see a "GRMN" or whatever they decide to call it, top-tier version released at the same time for $70k. I would be all over that. As for Nissan to respond.....they will do so, and do so in a very aggressive manner. Let's put it this way, Toyota is planning to develop a Supra to compete with a 10yr old R35 design that does 0-60 in under 3 seconds? I am confident the MKV Supra top tier would not outgun a GTR, but if it did, I would hate to see what the next Gen GTR would do in response.I think they wouldn't release the car unless it is acceptable jn its price range.
A70 kept hinting at a GRMN version that would cost money. Like 10-20k ln top of what was made.
So if the affordable version is great by all means and a 70k version exists that just shits on everyone else, that is a steep money upgrade by any means.
And if this does beat the GTR, wouldn't you want Nissan to address it on the next gen?
^Good thing you don't call the shots at Toyota/GR then.I mean, take for example the Corvette right? Everyone anticipates various models of Corvettes after the base launch (i.e., Z06, ZR1, etc..) because there is a HUGE market for base Corvettes that GM doesn't need to worry about sales of the base cars initially. The Supra is different, in that most (if not all) buyers who can afford to spend $60k+ on a base car will surely be scoping the top tier car, not a base car. Me personally, I could care less for a "base" or "entry level" Supra. Defeats the whole "appeal" of the car. Ask yourself this....if a MKIV Supra was still in production, would you go for the base non-turbo, or 6spd TT? It's why everyone wants a 6spd TT to this day.
"The Supra and new BMW Z4 will share a straight-six engine and gearbox". When I read something like that, that means they will share the; block, head, transmission, and accessories. If that's not exactly the same drivetrain, I dunno what little changes would suffice them to be "different". A ECU calibration and suspension doesn't count as drivetrain.
I would love to see a "GRMN" or whatever they decide to call it, top-tier version released at the same time for $70k. I would be all over that. As for Nissan to respond.....they will do so, and do so in a very aggressive manner. Let's put it this way, Toyota is planning to develop a Supra to compete with a 10yr old design that does 0-60 in under 3 seconds? I am confident the MKV Supra top tier would not outgun a GTR, but if it did, I would hate to see what the next Gen GTR would do in response.
This.You guys gotta remember its not just tuners who will buy this car. Just like there was a market for an NA auto supra before. There will be a market for a base model.
Some people just want the car, they dont care about all the extras. Especially if they really want it and just care about the monthly payment.
I do believe there is a large ask for a top tier (myself included) but there are other buyers aside from the tuning community.
Iāll be the first to say āI told u soā when no one gives a damn about the base or entry level MKVās.....especially at $60k, and news of a $70k top tier āGTR killerā model shortly to follow. Remember, a base model MKV Supra is not starting at $30k like a Nissan Z with 330hp, or $55k like a Vette with 455hp. From what the unofficial rumors are, $60k for 335hp base! Are buyers really gonna penny pintch $10k for what is rumored to be a substantial bump in overall performance to the base model?^Good thing you don't call the shots at Toyota/GR then.
See note above but reminder that A70 listed the motor cranking 350 at the moment with a chance to reliably handle 750 HP after tuning. Also, Toyota USA might want more power to fend off the highway monsters in the US so it can be bumped to 425-450Iāll be the first to say āI told u soā when no one gives a damn about the base or entry level MKVās.....especially at $60k, and news of a $70k top tier āGTR killerā model shortly to follow. Remember, a base model MKV Supra is not starting at $30k like a Nissan Z with 330hp, or $55k like a Vette with 455hp. From what the unofficial rumors are, $60k for 335hp base!
Toyota would have the market cornered....at 500HP+ for $70-$75k IMPORT...they would have other car makers scrambling to produce equivalent performing cars....for the same price.Again, I'd be shocked if a 500HP+ Supra comes around after the initial run and costs 70-75k. I'll be entirely floored but who knows, Toyota hasn't given us a damn thing about this vehicle after 4 years of test driving.
Again, if the car is coming in at 425HP with all that TSS stuff and weighing 3250, I'd be shocked if it came in at around 55k cause it would be affordable but also a demon on tracks, not drag strips and still be a GT car on the weekdays.Toyota would have the market cornered....at 500HP+ for $70-$75k IMPORT...they would have other car makers scrambling to produce equivalent performing cars....for the same price.
Standard Yaris costs 12.5k GBP. GRMN Yaris costs $26k GBP.Iāll be the first to say āI told u soā when no one gives a damn about the base or entry level MKVās.....especially at $60k, and news of a $70k top tier āGTR killerā model shortly to follow. Remember, a base model MKV Supra is not starting at $30k like a Nissan Z with 330hp, or $55k like a Vette with 455hp. From what the unofficial rumors are, $60k for 335hp base! Are buyers really gonna penny pintch $10k for what is rumored to be a substantial bump in overall performance to the base model?
Toyota said their cars will be;Standard Yaris costs 12.5k GBP. GRMN Yaris costs $26k GBP.
The Supra gr racing concept isnāt a gtr killer or went tada have replace this actual electrical engine ^^Tada san posing next to the GR Supra.