MATT
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I believe "similar to the 86" would not just be a 4 cylinder, it would be a 4 cylinder ONLY and nothing else. There is room for a four that makes 300 hp as the base model and a 400 hp twin turbo V6
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There's a differnce between being able to output 400 and being able to do it reliably, safely and offered with a factory warranty.You know 4-banger engines are making up to 400hp these days when tuned aggressively. This isn't the 90's-2000's anymore. They are outperforming some v8's I grew up with and a lot of NA v6 engines today.
That's from the man behind the Prius tooToyota insiders have already hinted that they favor a V6 for the Supra, if for no other reason than they want to avoid redundancy with the 86. A V6 and up just makes more sense for Toyota's flagship performance vehicle.
This is from Toyota's chairman who said that this new sports coupe will be more akin to the MKIV.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/235392/toyota-supra-style-replacement-favoured-by-incoming-chairman/
If they do, the 4 cyl model better be priced less than $40-50,000. No American is gonna pay more than 50 grand for a 4 cylinder. At that price range people expect a premium product and a 4 cyl powered car isn't usually considered a premium product.You know 4-banger engines are making up to 400hp these days when tuned aggressively. This isn't the 90's-2000's anymore. They are outperforming some v8's I grew up with and a lot of NA v6 engines today.
I'm not saying I want one but as the OP said the business case (cheaper) and performance reasons (they are offering cheap and pretty big power) is a reason they are getting more and more popular in some demanding sports cars. Even the new Mustang has a turbo 4.
Didn't think about that point until reading your post. Can you imagine trying to sell a Supra for double the price of the FR-S but featuring the same # of cylinders. Good luck with thatToyota insiders have already hinted that they favor a V6 for the Supra, if for no other reason than they want to avoid redundancy with the 86. A V6 and up just makes more sense for Toyota's flagship performance vehicle.
This is from Toyota's chairman who said that this new sports coupe will be more akin to the MKIV.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/235392/toyota-supra-style-replacement-favoured-by-incoming-chairman/
Why does it matter if it is offered as the base for cheap? It's all about choice. I never understand why people hate on that.Vote no. Not a fan of small displacement engines for pure sports cars. Fuel efficiency shouldn't be the primary concern for a purebred sports car like the MKV is supposed to be.
i'm not hating on it, I was answering the OP's thread. More options equals costs that get spread to all owners of a car. I just don't see a huge market for 4cyl buyers at this price point and think Toyota should put everything into building the most affordable and best V6 they can. I think most Supra fans would agree.Why does it matter if it is offered as the base for cheap? It's all about choice. I never understand why people hate on that.
Or imagine the comparisons to the other flagship sports cars. i think it would get mocked against cars like the C7, GT-R etc. Not only due to power but it won't sound nearly as nice as a turbo 6 or V8.Didn't think about that point until reading your post. Can you imagine trying to sell a Supra for double the price of the FR-S but featuring the same # of cylinders. Good luck with that
+1i'm not hating on it, I was answering the OP's thread. More options equals costs that get spread to all owners of a car. I just don't see a huge market for 4cyl buyers at this price point and think Toyota should put everything into building the most affordable and best V6 they can. I think most Supra fans would agree.
As elitest as that sounds I totally agree. GT-R has one and one single powerful engine only. That's how you maintain halo status.+1
In addition to cost, I don't want the Supra to have some cheap platform. I also don't want the new Supra brand to be diluted by a bunch of cheaper versions running around. This new car should be special.
Not to mention i'd rather not have my engine blow up on me after 1000 miles. Race car numbers don't matter for a production car.. realistically a 4cyl is going to reliably make and be offered at 350-400 and not much more with a warranty. Really thatt would be total fail if the Supra revival comes out swinging for a base hit.Nope.
I don't care how great a value the car is, how good of mileage it gets, I don't want a cheap Toyota sporty car; I want an authentic world-class sportscar.
Yeah sure in theory they could give us formula one 4 cylinder engines with 700 horsepower, but it's not going to happen.