Will new Supra have to compete with next Nissan 370Z (300Z?)

[PerformanceSound]

The current Z platform is ancient and pretty much no improvements were ever made to it in that timespan either. Clearly they must care very much.

Clearly, that is why a Z to this day with declining sales is still in production IN JAPAN BY NISSAN and preparations are in the works for a Z35?? Ya know, it's funny how people like to make themselves feel better by throwing out the ole' "yeah but the Z and GTR are ancient and no improvements have been made." Lol! Look harder. Yep, clearly they care.

Can't say the same for Toyota now can we? GT-86...botched that up. MKV Supra....pffffft....well, I don't need to go on any further.

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[justbake]

Clearly, that is why a Z to this day with declining sales is still in production IN JAPAN BY NISSAN and preparations are in the works for a Z35?? Ya know, it's funny how people like to make themselves feel better by throwing out the ole' "yeah but the Z and GTR are ancient and no improvements have been made." Lol! Look harder. Yep, clearly they care.

Can't say the same for Toyota now can we? GT-86...botched that up. MKV Supra....pffffft....well, I don't need to go on any further.

No one is saying the Z is old to make themselves feel better, they are saying it because the car is in it's 11th model year with the same boring (yes I can call it boring since I DD a 6MT VQ37) drivetrain.

Nissan is flirting a lot with Mercedes so we may see some cross referencing in that regard, not that it matters

 

[PerformanceSound]

No one is saying the Z is old to make themselves feel better, they are saying it because the car is in it's 11th model year with the same boring (yes I can call it boring since I DD a 6MT VQ37) drivetrain.

Nissan is flirting a lot with Mercedes so we may see some cross referencing in that regard, not that it matters

You can't just call a car boring because it's drivetrain hasn't changed. Many improvements have been made to both the Z car and the GTR, it was clearly stated by the cheif engieers that these two cars would have improvements every year....dramatic or not. Did you know that the Z32 300ZX had the same drivetrain from 1989 to 2000 (1989 to 1996 in the US)??? No one complained about that. Why mess up a good thing? With the GTR, no one dares to speak of its drivetrain being ancient, so they turn to the "looks" of the car....and start criticizing that.

Yes, I agree the two cars are due for a revamp.

 

[justbake]

You can't just call a car boring because it's drivetrain hasn't changed. Many improvements have been made to both the Z car and the GTR, it was clearly stated by the cheif engieers that these two cars would have improvements every year....dramatic or not. Did you know that the Z32 300ZX had the same drivetrain from 1989 to 2000 (1989 to 1996 in the US)??? No one complained about that. Why mess up a good thing? With the GTR, no one dares to speak of its drivetrain being ancient, so they turn to the "looks" of the car....and start criticizing that.

Yes, I agree the two cars are due for a revamp.

I didn't call it boring because it hasn't been changed. I called it boring because it's boring. The car makes no power under the curve which makes it feel lazy. Yes it does have decent peak numbers but, with peak torque (of a measly 270 lb-ft) at 5200 and peak power at 7000, The power band is incredibly narrow

 

[Red-hat]

Unlike Toyota, Nissan cares about it’s enthusiasts to continue making a Z car.

I’m glad there is a Z still in production (rather than seeing it discontinued), but c’mon, the lack of significant updates in nearly 10 years does not equal caring about its enthusiasts. It’s pretty obvious both the current Z and GTR are on life support.

Don’t be surprised of a 3.0 V6TT from an Infiniti Q60 in the next Z.

If a new Z happens, that is exactly the engine I would expect it to have. I just don’t expect to see a new Z at all once the Z34 retires. It has been reported that the Renault-Nissan board cancelled the Z35 in January 2018. Sadly, this makes economic sense for Nissan, as sports cars are declining in sales, and they will earn more profit by investing in their SUVs and commercial vehicles, rather than a new sports car. They will likely continue to make the GTR, and even create a new one after 2020, eventually, but the future looks bleaker for Z.

Understand, I like the 370Z, and TBH, if Toyota makes the new Supra an overpriced, underpowered, unreliable Z4 hardtop, I might even consider snapping up one of the last 370Zs for myself, as an affordable, old school, NA 6 cylinder, RWD sports car, and likely a future classic. I’m just realistic about the Z’s future, or lack thereof.

 

[justbake]

I’m glad there is a Z still in production (rather than seeing it discontinued), but c’mon, the lack of significant updates in nearly 10 years does not equal caring about its enthusiasts. It’s pretty obvious both the current Z and GTR are on life support.

I agree 100%. Lack of significant upgrades in 11 production years means they are still recouping development costs, this is the caveat to developing a sports car that isnt high volume.

I really have a hard time seeing the 370Z competing with the Supra. Obviously they will be priced differently but the Supra with 50 more HP, 100 more lb-ft (probably even more considering BMW's are underrated from factory), and has a completely different power curve. When I was looking at the 335i and 370z for a weekend car, the 335i was hands down quicker in every regard even though it made more power on paper

 

[Red-hat]

I really have a hard time seeing the 370Z competing with the Supra. Obviously they will be priced differently but the Supra with 50 more HP, 100 more lb-ft

I’m basing my thoughts off the reported European power levels of 330 HP, which is close to 370Z. I fear that Australia (where I am) may get the lesser Euro power level, rather than the 380 HP the USA is likely to see. Torque is certainly higher thanks to turbo, so it should be quicker to 60/100.

(probably even more considering BMW's are underrated from factory)

I sincerely hope so!

 

[justbake]

I’m basing my thoughts off the reported European power levels of 330 HP, which is close to 370Z. I fear that Australia (where I am) may get the lesser Euro power level, rather than the 380 HP the USA is likely to see. Torque is certainly higher thanks to turbo, so it should be quicker to 60/100.



I sincerely hope so!

I dont know much about emissions in Austrailia but Id hope you're not restricted to the same standards as Eu lol. 370z's have a 5.2 0-60 so it will be quicker in that regard as well.

Standard B58s dyno near their published bhp. If the 382hp version dynos near its bhp figure, that is not too far off of Rc-f whp levels even though its rated a 467bhp

 

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The BMW Z4 is listed on Aussie BMW sites as 250kW

 

[tisdrew]

I agree 100%. Lack of significant upgrades in 11 production years means they are still recouping development costs, this is the caveat to developing a sports car that isnt high volume.

I really have a hard time seeing the 370Z competing with the Supra. Obviously they will be priced differently but the Supra with 50 more HP, 100 more lb-ft (probably even more considering BMW's are underrated from factory), and has a completely different power curve. When I was looking at the 335i and 370z for a weekend car, the 335i was hands down quicker in every regard even though it made more power on paper

Nissan still sells plenty of the q60s coupes but I think the upmarket margins are what is keeping those alive in America -- the demand is higher for sports-luxury than outright sports cars so that's the real competitor.

q60's are around the same price point $50+ but took market signals and are also auto-only. It's a competitive package especially in the 400hp red sport trim and knocks on the door of bmw #40i or even M cars but remains a step above the Stinger or american muscle cars. However, Toyota seems to be targeting performance/track freaks with M-cars, vettes, or caymans.

 

[justbake]

Nissan still sells plenty of the q60s coupes but I think the upmarket margins are what is keeping those alive in America -- the demand is higher for sports-luxury than outright sports cars so that's the real competitor.

q60's are around the same price point $50+ but took market signals and are also auto-only. It's a competitive package especially in the 400hp red sport trim and knocks on the door of bmw #40i or even M cars but remains a step above the Stinger or american muscle cars. However, Toyota seems to be targeting performance/track freaks with M-cars, vettes, or caymans.

I don't really get your point

No doubt the VR30 is a great platform, but I specifically called out the 370z which doesnt have a VR30 (yet).

The Q60 is only 2 years old so I don't know what you mean by "still sells" and "keeping them alive"

Speaking of the Stinger, maybe they will make a coupe (based off the genesis coupe perhaps?) with their 3.3TT. Already the Stinger is a bargain with GT models starting at $38k, so a coupe around the same price range would be a hell of a deal for 365hp

 

[Red-hat]

Speaking of the Stinger, maybe they will make a coupe (based off the genesis coupe perhaps?) with their 3.3TT.

That would be very nice. The original Stinger concept car was a nice looking coupe, something 86/BRZ sized.

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/kia-stinger-sports-car-will-arrive-locally-in-2017-41574

That transformed, via a follow up concept later on, into a larger fastback sedan (which is still nice looking car IMO), but I was disappointed when the original coupe never materialised.

The world needs more coupes, they are dying out and those of us who prefer two doors, and don't need four, are finding our options diminishing with every passing year.

 

[justbake]

That would be very nice. The original Stinger concept car was a nice looking coupe, something 86/BRZ sized.

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/kia-stinger-sports-car-will-arrive-locally-in-2017-41574

That transformed, via a follow up concept later on, into a larger fastback sedan (which is still nice looking car IMO), but I was disappointed when the original coupe never materialised.

The world needs more coupes, they are dying out and those of us who prefer two doors, and don't need four, are finding our options diminishing with every passing year.

Maybe we will see one from Genesis in the next few years, although their priority is developing an SUV first. Hell, just put the 3.3TT in the facelift genesis coupe and im all for it

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

That would be very nice. The original Stinger concept car was a nice looking coupe, something 86/BRZ sized.

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/kia-stinger-sports-car-will-arrive-locally-in-2017-41574

That transformed, via a follow up concept later on, into a larger fastback sedan (which is still nice looking car IMO), but I was disappointed when the original coupe never materialised.

The world needs more coupes, they are dying out and those of us who prefer two doors, and don't need four, are finding our options diminishing with every passing year.

The Kia Stinger sedan really has more to do with the Kia GT concept from 2011 than the 2 door lift back Kia GT4 Stinger concept.

 

[PerformanceSound]

Wow....Nissan is considering maybe offering something like this based on SEMA reactions:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/nissan-370z-project-clubsport-sema

Pretty cool

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