Spied: Toyota benchmarking Porsche 911 GT3 RS (997) for new Supra?

[Modal170]

Even the JDM A80 models had more than 276hp, that was just marketing. They were closer to 330hp.
My almost stock (with a 3" exhaust and FMIC) '99 RZ cranked out 314whp on a dyno, so there you go.

Either way, with a diet and track focus, will be awesome.

I guess Toyota aren't the Gentlemen we were led to believe.

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[MA617M]

I don't think any of the manufacturers were gentlemen lol - Mazda, Nissan, Mitsubishi... They were all +276hp lol

Which is good for us. The GT-R were always closer to 300 as well.

 

[HKz]

I guess Toyota aren't the Gentlemen we were led to believe.

the gentleman's agreement ended a long ass time ago and they weren't even really adhering to it in the 90s..

 

[MA617M]

I forget that you guys never got GT-Rs either

 

[DevonK]

Toyota's trying to come at Porsche, not Corvette and last time I checked here in NJ, I see a whole lot more Porsches than Corvettes, at varying trims.

I was looking at what you could get for the same cash outlay as the Supra. A Porsche of comparable performance will be much more expensive, with the Cayman S starting at $69,300 USD very minimally equipped.

Will the Supra be able to siphon off significant numbers of potential Cayman buyers based on its pricing advantage? Time will tell, that Porsche mystique and the cars' polished refinement are very appealing to many. The Porsche brand is a license to print money - their cars have the highest per-car profit margin of any mass automaker.

 

[outofstep]

$55k is base Corvette pricing so lets compare : 455 hp, 460 torques, 3298 lbs, w/p 7.24

Supra (per A70): ~375 hp, likely 330-350 torques with i6(?), ~3050 lbs, w/p 8.13

Buyers will have to decide if the Vette's power advantage is worth trading off for the Supra's lighter weight, smaller form factor, Toyota reliability.

By the time the new Supra comes out, the C8 vette will be dropping. Which will be a mid engineed supercar, for not much more of a price bump.

Mustang GT: 460hp, 35k base
Camaro 1SS: 455hp, 43k base
Mustang LFP: 700hp, 41k base
Tons of various Mopar crap that's 5-600 hp for under 50k.

Mustang GT350: 536hp, 56k base
Camaro ZL1: 650hp, 61k base

This isn't the 90s-Early 00s anymore where the "herp derp just try to turn your domestic" has any validity. Well... not so much the Mopars, they still suck. The Camaro ZL1 LTE is posting Ring numbers that make the Supposed Supra numbers look stupid slow... for a lower price point than are being bandied about here.

I can get more hp and YES performance for about half the price. I really hope the rumors aren't true, because I'm holding off my next purchase until I see real info. But it looks like its going to be Exige all the way at this point.

 

[vb22]

By the time the new Supra comes out, the C8 vette will be dropping. Which will be a mid engineed supercar, for not much more of a price bump.

The "mid-engine Corvette" is said to be called the Zora. It will not replace the C7, but will be sold a long side it. As for as price goes that's anyone guess, but it has been caught testing with the $190k 911 turbo S.

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/mid-engine-corvette-13-1507822942.jpg

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

By the time the new Supra comes out, the C8 vette will be dropping. Which will be a mid engineed supercar, for not much more of a price bump.

Do you have a source for this claim?

 

[SVHO]

$55k is base Corvette pricing so lets compare : 455 hp, 460 torques, 3298 lbs, w/p 7.24

Supra (per A70): ~375 hp, likely 330-350 torques with i6(?), ~3050 lbs, w/p 8.13

Buyers will have to decide if the Vette's power advantage is worth trading off for the Supra's lighter weight, smaller form factor, Toyota reliability.

If you are 55+ year old guy with white hair and drive slow, get a Corvette-haha. At least in Socal thats what I have seen most drivers.

 

[supraboi]

The "mid-engine Corvette" is said to be called the Zora. It will not replace the C7, but will be sold a long side it. As for as price goes that's anyone guess, but it has been caught testing with the $190k 911 turbo S.

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/mid-engine-corvette-13-1507822942.jpg

I know its wiki, but this is what they had to say. If the front engine Vette is really going away I think it's shoes can be fill by the V8 Camaro. I also think the C8 will be expensive. For comparison, isn't the Ford GT like $450k?

There have been rumors of a C8 Mid-engine Corvette. It is reported even though, the front-engine Corvette Z06 and ZR1 will be sold along the C8 Corvette Zora Stingray until at least 2021.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette

 

[Modal170]

By the time the new Supra comes out, the C8 vette will be dropping. Which will be a mid engineed supercar, for not much more of a price bump.

Mustang GT: 460hp, 35k base
Camaro 1SS: 455hp, 43k base
Mustang LFP: 700hp, 41k base
Tons of various Mopar crap that's 5-600 hp for under 50k.

Mustang GT350: 536hp, 56k base
Camaro ZL1: 650hp, 61k base

This isn't the 90s-Early 00s anymore where the "herp derp just try to turn your domestic" has any validity. Well... not so much the Mopars, they still suck. The Camaro ZL1 LTE is posting Ring numbers that make the Supposed Supra numbers look stupid slow... for a lower price point than are being bandied about here.

I can get more hp and YES performance for about half the price. I really hope the rumors aren't true, because I'm holding off my next purchase until I see real info. But it looks like its going to be Exige all the way at this point.

I don't know what to tell you, considering this car had its sights focused on fighting Porsche to begin with and the original car wasn't a 500 hp beast.

I must ask though, you use the camaro lte as a comparison but the car is priced roughly 62k to 70k. Sure, cars are handling better, with a competent driver behind the wheel who won't fishtail at the sudden feeling of weight transfer mishaps. There's also the thick tires to keep its traction, imagine burning them in a couple months and replacing then

We are talking a new car, looking to possibly perform at 911 levels at Cayman pricing with refined interior, amazing feel to the touch and possible manual. You have toyota safety sense and I feel Toyota will make this have similar mpg of the 86 to make it be a solid buy altogether

Now if you want to race red lights and go fast in a straight line, cool, but that's what a horsepower war between three companies do over generations. For a new car, there must be compromises. Except the tuning as we we are being told. If there is such a thing as a 3jz, it's going to be the dream tuner cars that bring the 90's kid to have their own modern Supra and get coverage from magazines as people unlock the potential of said engine.

Just saying, HP isn't everything, or else Porsche would not be selling like they do or Mazda's Miata being anemic

 

[Spilner]

^ yeah but there's also a 911 spotted at the 1:23+ mark. It's believed these mules are running around with the B58/S58 engine(s) at that time especially. It would be crazy if Toyota has some of these themselves running around against their developed engine (M2/3 like car with a lighter chasis vs the upcoming Supra with a new inline 6).

If it can outperform the earlier mules it might even be a 911 competitor at this point. Tada did confirm they were targeting Porsche but no specific model. If it does come with 400+ HP that could be possible even if they won't target it that way to the public.

This can kind of be 'a poor man's 911'

 

[Modal170]

the gentleman's agreement ended a long ass time ago and they weren't even really adhering to it in the 90s..

Was more a tongue in cheek reply

 

[Jdmuscle]

By the time the new Supra comes out, the C8 vette will be dropping. Which will be a mid engineed supercar, for not much more of a price bump.

Mustang GT: 460hp, 35k base
Camaro 1SS: 455hp, 43k base
Mustang LFP: 700hp, 41k base
Tons of various Mopar crap that's 5-600 hp for under 50k.

Mustang GT350: 536hp, 56k base
Camaro ZL1: 650hp, 61k base

This isn't the 90s-Early 00s anymore where the "herp derp just try to turn your domestic" has any validity. Well... not so much the Mopars, they still suck. The Camaro ZL1 LTE is posting Ring numbers that make the Supposed Supra numbers look stupid slow... for a lower price point than are being bandied about here.

I can get more hp and YES performance for about half the price. I really hope the rumors aren't true, because I'm holding off my next purchase until I see real info. But it looks like its going to be Exige all the way at this point.

Hey... you are forgetting the curb weight aspect of things.

Mustang GT weighs about 3800lbs
Camaro 1SS weighs about 3700lbs
Challenger is nothing short of a boat.

I have a GT350 and she makes 526 out of the box but weigh more.

If the Supra makes north of 350 and weighs less than 3k lbs... it’ll be an awesome vehicle. It’s all in the proportion. Don’t get caught up in pure HP figures.

I think you are talking about ZL1 1LE. What on earth is ZL1 LTE?

 

[Spilner]

Hey... you are forgetting the curb weight aspect of things.

Mustang GT weighs about 3800lbs
Camaro 1SS weighs about 3700lbs
Challenger is nothing short of a boat.

I have a GT350 and she makes 526 out of the box but weigh more.

If the Supra makes north of 350 and weighs less than 3k lbs... it’ll be an awesome vehicle. It’s all in the proportion. Don’t get caught up in pure HP figures.

I think you are talking about ZL1 1LE. What on earth is ZL1 LTE?

Not to mention visibility

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