All-new 2023 Nissan Z makes world debut!

[J29DB03]

Of course, after reading your message I had an Altima tailgating me on my trip home from work yesterday....

Let’em tailgate. Rock chips could only improve that car’s appearance.

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[MLG Tofu Shop]

So that crowd of people have moved on from their Sentra SE-Rs and are now driving Altimas??

 

[Mimosa]

I just saw the Forsberg video on their Nissan Z. Sucks that they didn't go with VR30DDTT. It was replaced with the VR38DETT. It makes sense. They are intimate with the platform and there's also way more support for it. It also seemed like they were on a tight deadline.

It would have been nice if Nissan could have gotten the car in their hands a little earlier for them to have an opportunity to develop around the VR30.

 

[lla91mk5ll]

The youtube and facebook comments are cancerous lmao. These people are so out of touch with this stuff. Between the "is this a DCT?" and "the Z is going to smoke that bmw Supra" I fight the urge to say anything. It's pointless to say anything to them cause like 90% of the comments are from people with cars that are slower than both the Z and the Supra ?

I was actually surprised how many people like the supra in person when I got it because of all the comments I read online before I bought it

 

[94boosted]

The video more or less confirmed my suspicion that the pony cars (Mustang, Challenger, Camaro) were the benchmark for the Z, not the Supra.

Lol, is that meant to be a dig at Mustang's and Camaro's? You do realize that stock for stock the Mustang (PP2 or Mach 1) and Camaro (SS 1LE) are more capable track cars and are noticeably faster on track than both the Supra and the Z right?

 

[VA90]

getting my popcorn now?

 

[dzeleski]

Lol, is that meant to be a dig at Mustang's and Camaro's? You do realize that stock for stock the Mustang (PP2 or Mach 1) and Camaro (SS 1LE) are more capable track cars and are noticeably faster on track than both the Supra and the Z right?

I personally really dont care about comparisons because they are generally a waste of time if the tires are wildly different. The SS 1LE comes with eagle f1 supercars and the supra comes with PSS. 300 vs 220 treadware. The Mustang comes with a Cup 2, which are 180 treadware. The PSS is a piece of shit on the track so its really no surprise that a car with very similar power to weight but better tires is faster around a track. Power to weight between the supra (.114) and the SS 1LE (.1179) is .0039 hp per pound difference.

That being said the fact that the chassis code is going to be the same as the 370 tells me all I need to know about the new Z.

 

[ApexMissingApe]

I personally really dont care about comparisons because they are generally a waste of time if the tires are wildly different. The SS 1LE comes with eagle f1 supercars and the supra comes with PSS. 300 vs 220 treadware. The Mustang comes with a Cup 2, which are 180 treadware. The PSS is a piece of shit on the track so its really no surprise that a car with very similar power to weight but better tires is faster around a track. Power to weight between the supra (.114) and the SS 1LE (.1179) is .0039 hp per pound difference.

That being said the fact that the chassis code is going to be the same as the 370 tells me all I need to know about the new Z.

It’s more than just the tires. I had an 2018 SS 1LE before my Supra and had extensive track time with it. The suspension and differential in the 1LE are pure magic. You cannot upset the chassis over the track curbing, rough patches, transitions, etc.

But the Supra isn’t bad on the track, especially since I’ve replaced the springs and added adjustable sway bars. Even though it’s slower than my 1LE was, I have way more fun in the Supra. Because it’s not as good at the extreme limits, it’s more thrilling to drive. It gets the blooding flowing when you’re kept on your toes, but not so much that it is dangerous.

 

[dzeleski]

It’s more than just the tires. I had an 2018 SS 1LE before my Supra and had extensive track time with it. The suspension and differential in the 1LE are pure magic. You cannot upset the chassis over the track curbing, rough patches, transitions, etc.

But the Supra isn’t bad on the track, especially since I’ve replaced the springs and added adjustable sway bars. Even though it’s slower than my 1LE was, I have way more fun in the Supra. Because it’s not as good at the extreme limits, it’s more thrilling to drive. It gets the blooding flowing when you’re kept on your toes, but not so much that it is dangerous.

Of course it’s much more then tires. What I was trying to get at though is tires can easily be multiple seconds around a track when you compare stock vs stock. Put them on the same tires and the cars are way closer then most people realize.

 

[VA90]

It’s more than just the tires. I had an 2018 SS 1LE before my Supra and had extensive track time with it. The suspension and differential in the 1LE are pure magic. You cannot upset the chassis over the track curbing, rough patches, transitions, etc.

But the Supra isn’t bad on the track, especially since I’ve replaced the springs and added adjustable sway bars. Even though it’s slower than my 1LE was, I have way more fun in the Supra. Because it’s not as good at the extreme limits, it’s more thrilling to drive. It gets the blooding flowing when you’re kept on your toes, but not so much that it is dangerous.

I will say this: GM definitely knows how to set up a car to handle properly right out the box. The Alpha platform is superb from a handling standpoint and the 1LE package just builds on that. Toyota (and a lot of other manufacturers) could learn a whole lot from their engineers.

I think the philosophy with the Supra is just fundamentally different. With the Supra, Toyota/BMW wasn't even thinking about "how do we make this a rockstar track car" the way GM was doing with the SS 1LE and ZLE. I think it was more "let's make an all-around great street car with zero NVH that also happens to have very competent performance".

 

[ApexMissingApe]

I will say this: GM definitely knows how to set up a car to handle properly right out the box. The Alpha platform is superb from a handling standpoint and the 1LE package just builds on that. Toyota (and a lot of other manufacturers) could learn a whole lot from their engineers.

I think the philosophy with the Supra is just fundamentally different. With the Supra, Toyota/BMW wasn't even thinking about "how do we make this a rockstar track car" the way GM was doing with the SS 1LE and ZLE. I think it was more "let's make an all-around great street car with zero NVH that also happens to have very competent performance".

I agree, and there were a lot of compromises that GM made in order for it to be such a track capable sports car (same basic design language since 2010, small openings for windows and trunk to keep the body stiff, less expensive steel instead of aluminum, etc.).

The Supra does a great job at feeling like a premium GT that has some track cred while managing to stay within the limits of affordability for a large sector of people. And even though I like the new Z a lot, it doesn’t strike me as a great GT car and definitely not one for the race track. It just seems like a Japanese muscle car - probably a good platform for building a car for highway pulls, cheapish price thanks to cheap materials, and not a lot else.

Call it a Nissan Challenger R/T.

 

[Supraboi7]

I agree, and there were a lot of compromises that GM made in order for it to be such a track capable sports car (same basic design language since 2010, small openings for windows and trunk to keep the body stiff, less expensive steel instead of aluminum, etc.).

The Supra does a great job at feeling like a premium GT that has some track cred while managing to stay within the limits of affordability for a large sector of people. And even though I like the new Z a lot, it doesn’t strike me as a great GT car and definitely not one for the race track. It just seems like a Japanese muscle car - probably a good platform for building a car for highway pulls, cheapish price thanks to cheap materials, and not a lot else.

Call it a Nissan Challenger R/T.

For sure, I thought of it as a Japanese mustang myself

 

[MLG Tofu Shop]

https://jalopnik.com/the-2023-nissan-z-gets-a-louder-exhaust-with-the-automa-1848892692
Lmao, but then again the Z car bois are going to just rip out the stock exhaust and bolt on a fart cannon exhaust, and if it still isn't obnoxious enough they'll go banging at the doors of their local tuner to get a crackle tune.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

https://jalopnik.com/the-2023-nissan-z-gets-a-louder-exhaust-with-the-automa-1848892692
Lmao, but then again the Z car bois are going to just rip out the stock exhaust and bolt on a fart cannon exhaust, and if it still isn't obnoxious enough they'll go banging at the doors of their local tuner to get a crackle tune.

Thank God Toyota went the opposite direction and got rid of the awful pops and bangs after the 2020 model. The 21 and up sounds great with an aftermarket catback. Sophisticated burbles rather than those awful firecracker bangs.

 

[MLG Tofu Shop]

Thank God Toyota went the opposite direction and got rid of the awful pops and bangs after the 2020 model. The 21 and up sounds great with an aftermarket catback. Sophisticated burbles rather than those awful firecracker bangs.

I don't know if car manufacturers are trying to imitate the sound of anti-lag with those pops and bangs but they don't sound good at all, unlike real anti-lag, they just sound so tacked on and cheesy.

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