Why I'm NOT Hyped About The New Toyota Supra

[SS900]

I think he was referring to our smart @ss comments.

More like dumbass comments.

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[vb22]

More like dumbass comments.

Lol, so all jokes aside, the new Supra is shorter and has 2 seats. If its not for you then don't get one; its really that plain and simple.

 

[Guff]

I thought it’s going to be smaller than the 86, no?

It is shorter in wheelbase than the 86, just like the MKIV is. It is longer, wider, and lower than the 86 by a decent margin. It is shorter in overall length than the MKIV by 4" and change because it doesn't have the 90's-spec bumper overhangs of the MKIV, but it is wider by nearly 2" and has a similar hood-greenhouse-deck proportion as the MKIV. The reason the wheelbase is 80mm shorter than the MKIV is to bring the Wheelbase-Track Ratio closer to 1.6, which is considered the golden ratio for sports cars for turn-in response and stability. MKIVs needed far more front tire out the gate (the factory 235 fronts were understeer city) to get the turn-in response up to snuff IMO, and this should fix that while still retaining a strong tire stagger (255F/275R) for stability. (I still maintain that MKIVs are best on a square 275 sticky tire, as long as you get better anti-roll bars and up the spring rate)

 

[johnny_10196]

Thank you for correcting no one. I never said a GT can’t have a 2 seater although that’s not typical. The new Supra was designed as a pure sports car, not a GT. There you go, you have been corrected.

Can anyone think of a GT with only 2 seats?

First I wasn't correcting anything, I was just simiply stating that a GT can also be a two seater so you can go ahead and lose the bad attitude.

I actually don't agree with your previous post. A GT by Toyota from that era would be the Lexus SC. The Supra was definitely the more pure sports car out of the two.

Yeah, Ferrari has made tons of them...

 

[supraboi]

The new Supra was designed as a pure sports car...

You're correct, A70 has also address this. If you're wanting a larger 2+2 then I would look into the LC or RC.

good questions.

Prior to that however, yes, the A chassis and Z chassis were both closely related, sharing the same platform and many components therein as a result. There was an issue with this starting with the A80 though, in that engineering did not want to use a heavy luxury car platform for what was considered internally as a successor to the 2000GT. Management did not care and forced the engineers to use the platform anyways and instead told them to focus on improving it versus condemning it. This compromise was definitely at odds with what the car was supposed to achieve and is interesting as maybe it would have been a lighter weight sports car instead of GT, but at the end of the day they made it work the best they could.

With SC430, there was still a business case for the car unlike the A80, but as we saw sales were pretty low and that car was all around odd IMO.

In time, both cars more or less fell out of favor, both publicly and with upper management, which is why the LC500 exists. It is an SC successor in every way, and they considered naming it as such before deciding to move to a new nomenclature altogether.

As to why the LC platform wasn't used for a new Supra likely stems back to that A80 vs Z30 mindset of not wanting performance compromise, perhaps Lexus not wanting to share chassis (possible but unlikely), and that Toyota wanted to trade tech and costs with another company a la 86, and so with all factors coming together we have the present situation. Compromise none the less, but perhaps not as much depending on how you look at goals for a given model.

 

[SS900]

Lol, so all jokes aside, the new Supra is shorter and has 2 seats. If its not for you then don't get one; its really that plain and simple.

Thanks man, I don’t know what I would do without your advice. I didn’t realize this forum is meant to only express an extremely positive reaction to anything A90 related. I am sure everyone involved in creating the A90 always agreed on everything I really want to love this car, that’s why I am on this site and I hope all my worries (there is a lot to worry about as an A80 owner) will disappear once the car is reveled and driven. Until then, respect others opinions as that’s all we have at the moment.

 

[SS900]

First I wasn't correcting anything, I was just simiply stating that a GT can also be a two seater so you can go ahead and lose the bad attitude.

I actually don't agree with your previous post. A GT by Toyota from that era would be the Lexus SC. The Supra was definitely the more pure sports car out of the two.

Yeah, Ferrari has made tons of them...

Hummmmm....yeah... you were kinda trying to correct or make a statement directly related to what I said since you quoted me. Otherwise there would be no reason for your comment. Don’t be so offended. Consider my reply to yours as a statement as well instead of a correction and we are both on the same page.

The SC and the Supra are not as different as you think, the SC300 is a non turbo A80 in different clothing. So you actually agree with me, great.

Dude, I’m just fucking with you. It’s all good.

 

[johnny_10196]

Hummmmm....yeah... you were kinda trying to correct or make a statement directly related to what I said since you quoted me. Otherwise there would be no reason for your comment. Don’t be so offended. Consider my reply to yours as a statement as well instead of a correction and we are both on the same page.

The SC and the Supra are not as different as you think, the SC300 is a non turbo A80 in different clothing. So you actually agree with me, great.

Dude, I’m just fucking with you. It’s all good.

I really was just making a general comment to everyone, otherwise I would have quoted you.

I am aware they share platforms, but the ride on the two are different. The SC is definitely the more plush and luxurious out of the two.

But yeah, lets just move on now.

 

[Matador]

I’m 39, I have owned many cars and I already got the tiny 2 seater, hard riding, sports car out of my system. The A80 is a GT, not a pure sports car, although it has the heart of a sports car. These two cars might share the same name but are meant to be very different kind of cars. You guys are only looking at horsepower and weight. I get it, you are excited for a new sports car with the Supra name. I was hoping for something that is more 1:1 kind of a Supra, just updated for the times. I am entitled to have a different opinion then yours.

Of course you are entitled to our opinion... The Supra pretty much evolved in every single generation though, so IMO it's an unreasonable expectation that Toyota produce a 1:1 updated "modern day" A80, don't you think?

 

[Spilner]

It’s just too small for me, personal preference. It just doesn’t have the same feel of a Supra when looking at pictures.

Same could have been said for the other Supras back in the day tbh

 

[Spilner]

Thank you for correcting no one. I never said a GT can’t have a 2 seater although that’s not typical. The new Supra was designed as a pure sports car, not a GT. There you go, you have been corrected.

Can anyone think of a GT with only 2 seats?

 

[Lexafer]

Thank you for correcting no one. I never said a GT can’t have a 2 seater although that’s not typical. The new Supra was designed as a pure sports car, not a GT. There you go, you have been corrected.

Can anyone think of a GT with only 2 seats?

 

[SS900]

These cars are not what one would consider to be a real Grand Tourer. I think you are trying to be difficult on purpose or you don’t know what is actually a Grand Tourer.

 

[SS900]

Of course you are entitled to our opinion... The Supra pretty much evolved in every single generation though, so IMO it's an unreasonable expectation that Toyota produce a 1:1 updated "modern day" A80, don't you think?

Not really. I do not consider a BMW Z4 with Toyota clothing an evolution of the A80 and if you do then you are just lying to yourself. Why can’t we all agree the A90 is a great looking car that will have great performance but it’s more of a BMW Z4 than a Toyota Supra? Even Toyota themselves have said it in other words. Sure there will be some differences but it will just be a Z4 tuned by Toyota.

Why people can’t face reality these days? Cool car? Yes! A real Toyota Supra? Only as much as the Z4 is one.

 

[Guff]

Not really. I do not consider a BMW Z4 with Toyota clothing an evolution of the A80 and if you do then you are just lying to yourself. Why can’t we all agree the A90 is a great looking car that will have great performance but it’s more of a BMW Z4 than a Toyota Supra? Even Toyota themselves have said it in other words. Sure there will be some differences but it will just be a Z4 tuned by Toyota.

Why people can’t face reality these days? Cool car? Yes! A real Toyota Supra? Only as much as the Z4 is one.

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