Toyota GR GT3 Concept / Lexus LFR

[splv]

Toyota isn’t giving up on the internal combustion engine. That’s all I’m gonna say.

dude forreal don’t do that. No secrets in this fam

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[rotary heart]

Toyota isn’t giving up on the internal combustion engine. That’s all I’m gonna say.

I hope not just Toyota, it's sad to finally be able to afford new sport cars and know that they are about to die.

 

[KahnBB6]

Toyota isn’t giving up on the internal combustion engine. That’s all I’m gonna say.

Oh I don't expect they are, lol. Not after the hydrogen GR Yaris and hydrogen GR Corolla prototypes have been demonstrated and not after that big conference they held with Kawasaki, Subaru, Yamaha and other firms on the subject of alternative fuels for, at minimum, racing cars : )

Plus they've got some years of hybrids go to alongside their EV efforts which seem to be concurrent to these special projects.

I hope not just Toyota, it's sad to finally be able to afford new sport cars and know that they are about to die.

I don't know what PerformanceSound knows but I do know that it's not just Toyota. Even Ford is looking into this for some applications amidst their shift to a mostly EV lineup.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

Toyota isn’t giving up on the internal combustion engine. That’s all I’m gonna say.

 

[PerformanceSound]

It’s all politics folks….understand politics, and you will make very good decisions in your life (stocks, real estate, cars, etc…). It’s all politics!

EV’s were never intended to be THE ONLY way to power vehicles. Yes, we are seeing more and more companies adopting EV’s in their lineup, but it’s not because they believe “it’s the future.” They do so to meet fleet carbon footprint numbers to an acceptable number issued by the CURRENT ADMINISTRATION. This isn’t new, it’s been happening every time a new administration has come into the office. Some administrations are more concerned with climate change, some are concerned with oil, some are concerned with guns, some are concerned with taxes, etc…. CURRENTLY, manufacturers with larger fleet of cars must “make” OR must “start working on” EV development to meet administration standards for each segment of vehicle…otherwise, they have to toss out that segment (cough-cough, LandCruiser). As long as a manufacturer is able to have x-percentage of fleet electrified, they can then continue making x-percentage of ICE powered vehicles. Ever wonder why Ford came out with the supercharged V8 Raptor R AFTER the release of the Lightning and Mach-E??? They had to meet the EV fleet percentage to get the green light to continue releasing big displacement gas engines. Same rule applies to Chevy, Honda, Nissan, etc…. and Toyota!!!

So, if you understand politics, you will easily be able to foresee upcoming trends and make better decisions on a bunch of things!

Your welcome….and just be patient, every administration is different .

 

[KahnBB6]

^^ At this point regardless of the administration in power we're not going to do an about face and reverse on the shift to a mostly EV centric vehicle lineup. That's never going to happen and it's already impossible to sustain climate-wise.

But I do see, for the moment, a period of time through at least 2035 where we'll still have a couple of ICE performance vehicles in each manufacturer's lineup alongside their EV offerings.

The long term goal for some of those niche ICE designs, however, should be to pursue synthetic an/or carbon neutral fuels and hydrogen internal combustion tech piggybacking onto (hopefully) a larger hydrogen refueling and production infrastructure largely for the benefit of large industrial vehicles, construction vehicles and long haul semi trucks. Maritime and aviation sectors will also be pursuing those technologies as well since batteries alone weigh so much today.

However I hope the outcome is a mix of the boring crossover/SUV stuff being EVs, much better and more interestingly realized engaging enthusiast EVs and a few remaining special ICE driver car designs capable of running on hydrogen or synthetic CO2 neutral fuels that are not price limited to the filthy or even just moderately rich.

And I'm not even focusing on the concurrent impact of semi-self-driving technology-- there should always be the option to use physical controls and a steering wheel. But I digress.

I think a lot of whether ICEs survive in very limited form as NEW vehicles comes down to whether or not we actually get a hydrogen refueling infrastructure. That is still TBD but given the requirements of the heavy industrial sector I think it's still a very strong possibility alongside the evolution of battery, motor and inverter technology as well as growing the electrical grid and electric charging infrastructure.

 

[vb22]

It’s all politics folks….understand politics, and you will make very good decisions in your life (stocks, real estate, cars, etc…). It’s all politics!

EV’s were never intended to be THE ONLY way to power vehicles. Yes, we are seeing more and more companies adopting EV’s in their lineup, but it’s not because they believe “it’s the future.” They do so to meet fleet carbon footprint numbers to an acceptable number issued by the CURRENT ADMINISTRATION. This isn’t new, it’s been happening every time a new administration has come into the office. Some administrations are more concerned with climate change, some are concerned with oil, some are concerned with guns, some are concerned with taxes, etc…. CURRENTLY, manufacturers with larger fleet of cars must “make” OR must “start working on” EV development to meet administration standards for each segment of vehicle…otherwise, they have to toss out that segment (cough-cough, LandCruiser). As long as a manufacturer is able to have x-percentage of fleet electrified, they can then continue making x-percentage of ICE powered vehicles. Ever wonder why Ford came out with the supercharged V8 Raptor R AFTER the release of the Lightning and Mach-E??? They had to meet the EV fleet percentage to get the green light to continue releasing big displacement gas engines. Same rule applies to Chevy, Honda, Nissan, etc…. and Toyota!!!

So, if you understand politics, you will easily be able to foresee upcoming trends and make better decisions on a bunch of things!

Your welcome….and just be patient, every administration is different .

Not only that, but some buyers simply don't want or are just not ready for an EV according to Jack Hollis.

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/08/t...the-market-is-ready-for-mass-adoption-of-evs/

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

Rooks like it's gonna be a Lexus...

https://carbuzz.com/news/toyota-gr-gt3-appears-with-lexus-badge

 

[C-Pike]

So much for this being the next A100 Supra

 

[johnny_10196]

Toyota isn’t giving up on the internal combustion engine. That’s all I’m gonna say.

All the Japanese media are reporting it will use a turbo V8 from the canned LC-F project.

 

[gymratter]

so this will probably be the "LFA II" that everyone keeps talking about

 

[vb22]

I think the title of the thread should be updated

 

[KahnBB6]

so this will probably be the "LFA II" that everyone keeps talking about

They're still doing the 100% EV LFA successor with solid state battery tech but this appears to be yet another supercar in the Lexus lineup which will arrive much sooner. No telling what each model will ultimately be called but one of them surely will carry the "LFA" name or something like it.

 

[gymratter]

They're still doing the 100% EV LFA successor with solid state battery tech but this appears to be yet another supercar in the Lexus lineup which will arrive much sooner. No telling what each model will ultimately be called but one of them surely will carry the "LFA" name or something like it.

yes but mike over on Lexusenthusiast said that car is still very far out and will not use the LFA nameplate. agree on that we dont know what its going to be called until the covers come off. i only used the term "LFA II" because it will more than likely be more closely related to the last LFA in the sense it will probably be the last ICE supercar from Toyota/Lexus.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

yes but mike over on Lexusenthusiast said that car is still very far out and will not use the LFA nameplate. agree on that we dont know what its going to be called until the covers come off. i only used the term "LFA II" because it will more than likely be more closely related to the last LFA in the sense it will probably be the last ICE supercar from Toyota/Lexus.

From what I heard on reddit it is now called the LFR.

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