Mazda developing straight-six Skyactiv-X & Skyactiv-D engines. Will Toyota use Mazda's I6?

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What's even more interesting is what they will put it in
 

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Good job Mazda. Car enthusiasts around the world applaud you for not selling yourself out like Toyota did. Hopefully this means a new sports car in the making.
 

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Good job Mazda. Car enthusiasts around the world applaud you for not selling yourself out like Toyota did. Hopefully this means a new sports car in the making.
Come on bro. Toyota never needed an inline-six because they have insane V8 and V6 engines. That eliminated the need for an inline-six in all of their cars. The Supra? That's a different story. They weren't going to spend 1/2 a billion to a billion dollars on a new series engine for just 1 car. You keep forgetting these guys are the most successful company in the world and you damn well know that didn't happen for no reason.

Mazda needs something better than a 2.5 liter inline-four. While it did really take me back that they announced that they would build an inline-six because that's literally something that would come from left field, it doesn't really surprise me when you see all of their other engines are ass.
 

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Good job Mazda. Car enthusiasts around the world applaud you for not selling yourself out like Toyota did. Hopefully this means a new sports car in the making.
Toyota just did a partnership, unlike a certain company that took a trip to France
 

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Come on bro. Toyota never needed an inline-six because they have insane V8 and V6 engines. That eliminated the need for an inline-six in all of their cars. The Supra? That's a different story. They weren't going to spend 1/2 a billion to a billion dollars on a new series engine for just 1 car. You keep forgetting these guys are the most successful company in the world and you damn well know that didn't happen for no reason.

Mazda needs something better than a 2.5 liter inline-four. While it did really take me back that they announced that they would build an inline-six because that's literally something that would come from left field, it doesn't really surprise me when you see all of their other engines are ass.
I get your first part and they no longer have multiple models to share the I6 like they did in the past. As I mentioned in the other thread, Toyota could have formulated the deal similar to the Morgan Plus Six if they wanted a I6. Oh well, what's done is done.

Regardless if their engines are ass, in this case, I give more credit to Mazda for building their own engine.
 

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I get your first part and they no longer have multiple models to share the I6 like they did in the past. As I mentioned in the other thread, Toyota could have formulated the deal similar to the Morgan Plus Six if they wanted a I6. Oh well, what's done is done.

Regardless if their engines are ass, in this case, I give more credit to Mazda for building their own engine.
I can totally see your point of view. But yeah it must be said, kudos to Mazda for having the gravitas to make a brand new amazing inline-six engine with all of their new tech! I really can't wait!!
 

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Toyota: It's too expensive to make our own inline six or Supra.

Mazda: *Laughs in Japanese*

o_O
 

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Btw, i6 engines are getting very popular. I remember back in '13 praying for i6 engines to make a comeback. That was the time where everyone had a v6 and BMW switched to v8. Now we got Morgan, Mercedes, Toyota (yes it's BMW's i6, but so is the Morgan, I'm not talking about in-house produced i6, but just manufacturers using i6's in general), andd, it appears Mazda will be joining this new i6 trend. Curious as to what/who else might/will surprise us.


*blindly praying for Nissan to design a new i6 for R36* (One can dream)
 

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I wonder if a Mazda-sourced I-6 would have caused as much backlash as a BMW one.
Don't really think combustion engines will be relevant by 2026 but.. oh well.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/06/20/toyota-lexus-mazda-inline-six-engine-platform/

Japan's Best Car magazine has what appears to be a whopper of a rumor. The mag said it scooped Mazda's development of a straight-six engine that Mazda only revealed in March, the carmaker having buried the information in a financial statement. By way of Lexus Enthusiast and according to Google translate, Best Car writes that as it was speaking to a Toyota source on an unrelated matter, the magazine found out that Mazda's work on the straight-six was predicated on the engine's use in Toyota Group vehicles, which includes Lexus.

Here's the account of how the engine and Mazda's coming front-engined rear-drive platform, dubbed "Large Architecture," will make their way to Toyota City:

The first appearance for the straight-six, predicted to come in at a hair under 3.0 liters, is the Mazda Atenza/Mazda6 successor coming around 2022. The powertrain will get a 48-volt hybrid system for increased fuel economy, and the automaker's said to be considering a plug-in hybrid version.

Toyota's first shot at the platform and the straight-six will be whatever fills the slot of the Japanese-market Mark-X sedan. We once had a version of the Mark-X in the U.S. as the Toyota Cressida. In Japan, it's sold as a rear- and all-wheel drive option to the Camry. The Mark-X is slated to end production in December this year — a "sporty four-door coupe" on Mazda's platform and with Mazda's engine eventually taking its place.

Lexus has a number of plans for the components from Hiroshima. The next Lexus IS is said to evolve from the current sedan, using a Lexus V6 but migrating to Toyota's TNGA platform. Best Car says the IS after that, perhaps sometime around 2026, will hop onto Mazda's new platform and use the inline-six engine.

Before that, the replacement for the Lexus RC in 2022 will sit on the Mazda platform and get that inline-six. What's more, Lexus will introduce a new model to slot between the $64,750 RC and the $92,950 LC employing Mazda's architecture and engine. Best Car says the model will act as a "next car" for RC owners, but we can't tell if the magazine means a two-door or a four-door coupe; the article also says the Lexus model will compete with the Audi A7.

Toyota and Mazda partnered up in 2016 on technology sharing. Best Car's take is that, as was done on the Supra, Toyota is picking up all the tech it can from suitable sources so that it can continue to sell models that don't make sense to develop alone. If the side effect of that is getting big sporty Mazdas to go with it, well, so much the better.
 

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When I saw a similar article few days ago, I thought the same.

What's also surprising is, why Mazda, as a much smaller company going under such a burden and not Toyota? Because, when news first broke that Mazda will develop an I6 large platform (with no mention of Toyota), I was like wow they've got cojones. I responded to backlash of why Toyota isn't doing this by saying it's not in Toyota's long term plans (hybrid, hydrogen powered are), but now it's weird with Toyota being onboard, especially with where the industry is going towards... Anyhow, I hope by the time they develop, people won't go looking for V8's :)
 

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When I saw a similar article few days ago, I thought the same.

What's also surprising is, why Mazda, as a much smaller company going under such a burden and not Toyota? Because, when news first broke that Mazda will develop an I6 large platform (with no mention of Toyota), I was like wow they've got cojones. I responded to backlash of why Toyota isn't doing this by saying it's not in Toyota's long term plans (hybrid, hydrogen powered are), but now it's weird with Toyota being onboard, especially with where the industry is going towards... Anyhow, I hope by the time they develop, people won't go looking for V8's :)
It is because Mazda is trying to go upmarket. That means sedans with RWD and basically all their competitors are making new I6's.
 

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With the general direction the auto industry is going right now I'm all for this. Let's see a Mazda-Toyota collaboration to replace the Mark X RWD sedan with an I6 and to do a Lexus RWD coupe with an I6 (a real SC300 successor?) that doesn't cost $100k+
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