Toyota Teases GR Line Up: Supra MK6, Celica MK8, MR2 MK4, 86 MK3 and GR GT

[KahnBB6]

What r your thoughts on a Mazda I6 vs 2 x GRC engines?

He was hinting previously that the Mazda 3.3L I-6 turbo and Toyota 1.6L G16E I-3 turbo may be related. As in the *starting point* of one was derived from the other (3.3 / 2 = 1.65).

Either way... doing an in-house G16E x2 = I-6 or a heavily revised existing Mazda 3.3L I-6 turbo... Toyota seems to have its eye on another I-6 in their Supra one way or another.

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[Loco38SUP]

He was hinting previously that the Mazda 3.3L I-6 turbo and Toyota 1.6L G16E I-3 turbo may be related. As in the *starting point* of one was derived from the other (3.3 / 2 = 1.65).

Either way... doing an in-house G16E x2 = I-6 or a heavily revised existing Mazda 3.3L I-6 turbo... Toyota seems to have its eye on another I-6 in their Supra one way or another.

I will believe it once I see it. Their new MO is 4-cylinder turbo the world.

-RJM

 

[KahnBB6]

I will believe it once I see it. Their new MO is 4-cylinder turbo the world.

-RJM

They definitely want that high output four cylinder turbo out there in many of their vehicles like the Celica, some mid-engine model like an MR2 and Toyota and Lexus longitudinal RWD vehicle configurations. And in lower output tunes the same engine will be in several non-GR regular models.

But as to their potential use of the Mazda inline-six engine for the Supra (which Toyota has already expressed "interest" in)... I don't think it's that far-fetched.

Also, not very long ago there was a very heated debate here as to whether or not the MKV would get a manual transmission option. And finally it did, albeit not until a couple of model years in. But until it showed up most people were sure it would never happen.

Toyota and Mazda have been tied up for projects before, Toyota's BMW & Magna-Steyr partnership is ending soon and Mazda has this I-6 turbo engine while Toyota has the Supra and Lexus coupe vehicle platform it could be used in.

And Mazda could benefit from being able to also use that platform for a model generation of their own and have a non-SUV premium offering in their lineup without having to spend all the money to develop it entirely in-house at Mazda.

And we know how Toyota likes to amortize development costs either internally or in collaboration with another automaker...

It's certainly also possible that Toyota won't do a collaboration with Mazda to revise the I-6 for the Supra as an additional (traditional) trim level but the opportunity for both companies is right there.

 

[Captain_Kirk]

I think both can be true. A 4 banger hybrid for markets with engine displacement tax such as the EU and JP, and a nice straight six for the US, CA, AU etc.

 

[Zboy]

Just my 2 cent, but it will be tough sell for a 4 cyl Supra at $100k or even $80k. At the price point most buyers will just go C8 or Porsche.

I personally hope the MK6 will be somewhat affordable. Perhaps platform cost sharing with the RC/LC replacement will do the trick. As the rumor mills are reporting, I think a deal could be made with Mazda where their RX7 and 6 could utilize Toyota's platform and Mazda on the other hand will share their straight six.

 

[PerformanceSound]

Just my 2 cent, but it will be tough sell for a 4 cyl Supra at $100k or even $80k. At the price point most buyers will just go C8 or Porsche.

I personally hope the MK6 will be somewhat affordable. Perhaps platform cost sharing with the RC/LC replacement will do the trick. As the rumor mills are reporting, I think a deal could be made with Mazda where their RX7 and 6 could utilize Toyota's platform and Mazda on the other hand will share their straight six.

That's exactly why I know a $100k Supra is not coming anytime soon.

With that said, I don't think it will be a cheap Supra....it will be priced more than the outgoing A90.

I know Corolla, Yaris, and two future Toyota/Lexus vehicles will be assembled in Motomachi....what those other two are, no confirmation yet.

 

[Loco38SUP]

That's exactly why I know a $100k Supra is not coming anytime soon.

With that said, I don't think it will be a cheap Supra....it will be priced more than the outgoing A90.

I know Corolla, Yaris, and two future Toyota/Lexus vehicles will be assembled in Motomachi....what those other two are, no confirmation yet.

If they use the currently developed turbo 4-cylinder then it will remain close to 2026 MSRP. If they decide it needs to be a hybrid variant of that combo then expect an $80-$90K price tag.

If they decide to use the Mazda I-6 that needs a crap ton of improvement along with the transmission then it will be $80-$90K as well.

-RJM

 

[jmikes]

In an ideal world the MK6 rolls with a refined version of the inline 6 Mazda's working on and runs a low-ish power hybrid motor with a battery just big enough that you could run electric only for 15-20 miles on a charge.

Get the best of both worlds out of it. A genuine, quick sports car with a great inline 6, plus the ability to drive all-electric for quick trips around town / to the store and back when you're not going to be able to use the engine's power.

 

[KahnBB6]

I think both can be true. A 4 banger hybrid for markets with engine displacement tax such as the EU and JP, and a nice straight six for the US, CA, AU etc.

This is exactly what I feel their plan will be and the reasons for it so as to help with sales in heavily taxed markets.

The Supra MKIII also had a 2.0L (1G-GTE M/T & A/T) trim level in Japan for this same reason. Although if the Mazda I-6 is used it'll also be available in Japan. They would not exclude it from their home market.

 

[PerformanceSound]

If they use the currently developed turbo 4-cylinder then it will remain close to 2026 MSRP. If they decide it needs to be a hybrid variant of that combo then expect an $80-$90K price tag.

If they decide to use the Mazda I-6 that needs a crap ton of improvement along with the transmission then it will be $80-$90K as well.

-RJM

A 2025 CX-90 3.3 Turbo S Premium Plus (loaded) is MSRP at $56k. That's a vehicle that will have more features, the turbo 3.3 straight six, comfort, etc... than a new Supra. Again, MSRP at $56k.

You're saying Toyota/Mazda cannot build a lighter vehicle (less material - sports car platform), assume same 3.3 engine, less creature comforts (i.e., 3 row climate control, captain seats, etc....), smaller in size and space, etc... priced a bit more than $56k MSRP????

I don't think it will be a $100k car, and I don't think it will be a $50k car.....I am saying starting $65k and top dawg model down the line $75k. Not including stupid stealership markups.

 

[Loco38SUP]

A 2025 CX-90 3.3 Turbo S Premium Plus (loaded) is MSRP at $56k. That's a vehicle that will have more features, the turbo 3.3 straight six, comfort, etc... than a new Supra. Again, MSRP at $56k.

You're saying Toyota/Mazda cannot build a lighter vehicle (less material - sports car platform), assume same 3.3 engine, less creature comforts (i.e., 3 row climate control, captain seats, etc....), smaller in size and space, etc... priced a bit more than $56k MSRP????

I don't think it will be a $100k car, and I don't think it will be a $50k car.....I am saying starting $65k and top dawg model down the line $75k. Not including stupid stealership markups.

You have a lot of faith in that Mazda inline 6. We will see what becomes of the rumors.

In 2 years most base MSRPs will be closer to $70K. Hell a brand new stripped down base Tacoma is $50K today. Lighter and more performance doesn’t mean cheaper for sports cars.

-RJM

 

[Captain_Kirk]

Logically speaking, I don't see an A100 at the $100k price point. Especially if it shares bones with a upcoming Lexus coupe. The A80 was just a tad cheaper than the Z30. Also I'm pretty sure the GT3 and LFR will be occupying the six figure range for both brands.

 

[i3igpete]

with a battery just big enough that you could run electric only for 15-20 miles on a charge.

15-20 is a pretty large battery. the non-plugin prius models can only go about 1 mile on battery only.

 

[PerformanceSound]

You have a lot of faith in that Mazda inline 6. We will see what becomes of the rumors.

In 2 years most base MSRPs will be closer to $70K. Hell a brand new stripped down base Tacoma is $50K today. Lighter and more performance doesn’t mean cheaper for sports cars.

-RJM

I have alot of faith in alot of stuff, doesn't always mean it will happen....but most of the time it does, lol.

Look, im not saying lighter and more performance means cheaper.....im saying more (quantity) materials in a product typically equates to more money for that product. For example, an all Carbon Fiber chassis car will cost substantially more than one with only a hood and trunk made of Carbon Fiber....even though the all Carbon Fiber car is lighter. I'm saying it's very possible for Toyota to make a hell of a car using Mazda's Inline six and their own chassis for $65-$75k, maybe $80k.

We've seen stranger things happen in the world in the past 4yrs, I don't think a powertrain from Mazda for the next gen Supra will be surprising to any of us.

 

[Matador]

Further, where did you hear that the MKV Final Ed will be priced at $155k? There is extremely little that is substantially different mechanically from the current model year MKV 3.0 Premiums apart from extremely minute brake rotor size and minor suspension differences with exactly the same horsepower as before. I don't recall seeing any pricing announced with the official press release.

Because that is what it cost in Europe (100k in Japan)? I see now that the US got a dialed down version at a much lower cost.

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