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[GRMan]

Ok Mate. Whatever you reckon. I can't speak for Sydney but I guarantee you that in the 1990s Melbourne did not have car jackings or weekly reports of gangs running around with fucking machetes!

Maybe instead of using your memory, look at some actual crime statistics. You might be surprised at what you see.



Firstly, youth crime has increased dramatically so stop making things up and secondly, it's not an immigrant problem, it's a cultural one. Unlike very patriotic countries like the United States, Australia has always suffered from a lack of unity and shared identity.. but I don't want to derail this thread any further.

EDIT: If anyone has any doubt, please read the linked article. It's damning and that's from the (very) left leaning ABC!

"That means you are less safe having your car parked here than you were at any time in history, and we have less cars in the city, but more cars stolen."

Yeah.. @GRMan everything is just fine!

So, in the 90s Melbourne don't have car jackings? No gangs? Get real. They just don't get reported as much in those days. People get murdered in the 90s during robbery which includes car theft.

The language you used in your post insinuated that the allegedly uprising of crime rate in Melbourne (youth crimes in particular), is related to immigrations. Now you are saying it's not immigration, it's caused by a cultural mismatched, which sounds to me is just saying we let in the wrong demographics of people which itself is racist.

Crimes are committed by all sorts of people with different backgrounds, values and upbringings. It is a deep social issue that has to be managed on different levels. One level would be school education; the other kevel would be reviewing the severity of the penalty in criminal law...etc. To simply pinpoint cultural mixed up as the cause of the uprises in crimes is very irresponsible and toxic.

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[BMWAF]

So, in the 90s Melbourne don't have car jackings? No gangs? Get real. They just don't get reported as much in those days. People get murdered in the 90s during robbery which includes car theft.

The language you used in your post insinuated that the allegedly uprising of crime rate in Melbourne (youth crimes in particular), is related to immigrations. Now you are saying it's not immigration, it's caused by a cultural mismatched, which sounds to me is just saying we let in the wrong demographics of people which itself is racist.

Crimes are committed by all sorts of people with different backgrounds, values and upbringings. It is a deep social issue that has to be managed on different levels. One level would be school education; the other kevel would be reviewing the severity of the penalty in criminal law...etc. To simply pinpoint cultural mixed up as the cause of the uprises in crimes is very irresponsible and toxic.

Literally ignored the evidence presented and simply continued on with your own misguided opinion. Stay ignorant pal.

 

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[GRMan]

Literally ignored the evidence presented and simply continued on with your own misguided opinion. Stay ignorant pal.

What evidence? Go chill down or you might get a heart attack from all the shitty news you have been watching

 

[Bassoonytoon]

Ok Mate. Whatever you reckon. I can't speak for Sydney but I guarantee you that in the 1990s Melbourne did not have car jackings or weekly reports of gangs running around with fucking machetes!

Literally the stereotypical view of Australians for decades was this guy "running around with fucking machetes"

 

[BMWAF]

Literally the stereotypical view of Australians for decades was this guy "running around with fucking machetes"

That's not a knife!

 

[jchadwell]

Ironic timing regarding this article I saw today:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/articles/country-just-named-safest-place-120100465.html

This: Second place went to Australia this year, which ranked high for both health measures as well as safety from terrorism.

 

[xtrac1]

SO ANNOYING how much soap suds collect in the channel above the rear tail lights and on the edges of the hatch/boot.

 

[BMWAF]

Ironic timing regarding this article I saw today:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/articles/country-just-named-safest-place-120100465.html

This: Second place went to Australia this year, which ranked high for both health measures as well as safety from terrorism.

You guys actually believe these rankings? For many years Melbourne was ranked the most liveable city in the world. Not anymore. And did you actually bother to read the article you linked? "Second place went to Australia this year, which ranked high for both health measures as well as safety from terrorism." No argument from me but that has sweet fuck-all to do with actual regular crime. which doesn't seem to have even been considered, lol.

We have had double digit increases in most crime figures in Melbourne. This isn't me being opinionated or overly nostalgic, these are Victoria Police statistics. And if you want experiential evidence, as someone who has lived here for a very long time, I'm telling you this place is no longer recognizable. Everyone who lives here sees it and knows it, but whatever.. ignorance is bliss.

 

[razorlab]

Facts make Squirmy squirmy racist bois more squirmy squirmy.

 

[jchadwell]

We have had double digit increases in most crime figures in Melbourne. This isn't me being opinionated or overly nostalgic, these are Victoria Police statistics. And if you want experiential evidence, as someone who has lived here for a very long time, I'm telling you this place is no longer recognizable. Everyone who lives here sees it and knows it, but whatever.. ignorance is bliss.

Not sure I get why you are so vehemently arguing that you live in a rat-infested hell hole or something? I was simply pointing out that people who travel rated Australia very highly. That was it. I don’t really care about the political and other arguments being thrown around. I just thought it was pretty ironic timing to have that article pop up after I had seen this thread.

But since you bring up experiential evidence as reported by your actual crime statistics, let’s dive just a little deeper. I’m actually surprised that article included information around the rate increase instead of simply spouting raw numbers. Focusing on raw numbers is what’s done when trying to exaggerate or grab headlines. So let’s look at both.

From your article, youth crime increased by 20% to roughly 23000. Wow, that sounds horrible doesn’t it. That’s a big number. Not so fast. Also in the article but not called as much attention to is that this level is the highest since 2010. Meaning 2010 and before was just as bad. And more importantly, throwing out big numbers without context is akin to lying as far as I’m concerned. I will give credit though, your article does also include what this new and horrible number of youth crimes is as a rate per 100,000 population so props to them. Looking at the crime RATE, youth crimes increased from approximately 240 events per 100,000 people to approximately 330 per 100,000 people. That is an incredibly small increase. Stated another way the roughly 90 more youth crimes represents a .0009% increase in crime rate. A less than 1 tenth of 1% increase. And stated yet another way, measured by youth crime RATE, the average Melbourne resident went from having a .0024% (240 per 100,000 people) chance of being a youth crimes victim to having a .0033% chance (330 youth crime per 100,000 population. Looking at this from a chances of not being a victim perspective, the average resident went from having a 99.998% chance of not being a youth crimes victim to a 99.997% chance. Not exactly the same sky is falling headline, is it?

 

[razorlab]

Same as Portland, OR being depicted as a "war zone", but in reality it's like the nicest and cleanest city in the USA. I find it kind of funny too because Portland is insanely white at about 70%.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-che...tests-antifa-203826406efb7420911ae756b4331f60

Anti-immigrant parrot people are magicians. They turn nothing into something. Oldest trick in the book.

Anyone else find the irony in Australians complaining about immigrants?

 

[Evolution]

I live in the 3rd most dangerous city in California and dont complain as much as some of these people in this thread.

 

[razorlab]

I live in the 3rd most dangerous city in California and dont complain as much as some of these people in this thread.

That is saying a lot since some people think California as a whole is a cess pool of murderers and thieves.

I lived in Oakland for years which I believe is #1 dangerous in California, and Alameda County as a whole for 20 years which is #1 as well in California. Yes it had issues but still very very very very very far from being a "warzone" and immigrants weren't the issue at all.

 

[BMWAF]

The immigration thing is a complex issue and not simply race based. Victoria's population has ballooned and we have overtaken NSW for the first time. Some of the "immigrants" have come from interstate for example and this influx has not come with a corresponding increase in spending on infrastructure or policing, etc.

Also, comparing raw numbers to the rest of the world (or the US) is daft - Australia has always been safer (and in my opinion better in almost every way) by orders of magnitude than most other countries. And quite frankly, still is. While the raw numbers show how good we have it relative to the rest of the world, the percentage change highlights the trend and supports the argument that things are getting worse.

It's really not rocket science.

Anyway, I've said my peace and am done, lol. Don't believe me. Call me names. Manipulate the statistics. Disagree. Whatever.

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