New Toyota Supra rumored to get Toyota twin turbo V6 engine

[solidsamir]

The Supra was never a bargain; it was always expensive as hell lol...

they were 45k in 1993. that's 78k in today's money just for reference.

50-60k is just fine.. I wanted it to be 45k personally, but they said the compromise would have been too great so thats that.

Well I never said bargain, I said value. Value in that the price vs performance is evenly developed. A 41k car from 98 is 62k today in the USA according to the bureau of labor statistics so I guess the price isn't too ridiculous . Either way, back then there weren't too many Lexus sports cars, and now you've got Ford GT mustangs making 400+ for 35k~ and looking sharp so I hope Toyota takes that into consideration.

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[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

Well I never said bargain, I said value. Value in that the price vs performance is evenly developed. A 41k car from 98 is 62k today in the USA according to the bureau of labor statistics so I guess the price isn't too ridiculous . Either way, back then there weren't too many Lexus sports cars, and now you've got Ford GT mustangs making 400+ for 35k~ and looking sharp so I hope Toyota takes that into consideration.

I think you're numbers are slightly off.

1993 MSRP
NA: $33,900
TT: $39,900

Inflation
NA: $56,131
TT: $66,065

1994 MSRP
NA: $36,900
TT: $44,100

Inflation
NA: $59,573.08
TT: $71,197.10

1995 MSRP
SE: $31,100
NA: $37,600
TT: $49,000

Inflation
SE: $48,825
NA: $59,030
TT: $76,927

1996 MSRP
NA: $38,600
TT: $50,400

Inflation
NA: $58,862
TT: $76,856

1997 MSRP
NA: $29,500
TT: $39,900

Inflation
NA: $43,976
TT: $59,479

1998 MSRP
NA: $31,078
TT: $40,508

Inflation
NA: $45,618
TT: $59,460

 

[solidsamir]

They aren't my numbers, they are from the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics

https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

Put them in yourself and see

 

[Craigy]

Really hope this A70TTR guy is a fraud. Because if sub-400 horsepower is true, with a pricetag north of $50,000.00, for a Toyota, who is going to buy this.

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

 

[vb22]

Well I never said bargain, I said value. Value in that the price vs performance is evenly developed. A 41k car from 98 is 62k today in the USA according to the bureau of labor statistics so I guess the price isn't too ridiculous . Either way, back then there weren't too many Lexus sports cars, and now you've got Ford GT mustangs making 400+ for 35k~ and looking sharp so I hope Toyota takes that into consideration.

Toyota does not offer good value IMO. $84k for a 467hp GS-F.

 

[A70TTR]

Really hope this A70TTR guy is a fraud. Because if sub-400 horsepower is true, with a pricetag north of $50,000.00, for a Toyota, who is going to buy this.

I never said sub 400hp is a sure thing; I said I expect 380+/- meaning 400hp is definitely possible.

Toyota does not offer good value IMO. $84k for a 467hp GS-F.

Some folks in here are out of touch with reality lol

 

[solidsamir]

Toyota does not offer good value IMO. $84k for a 467hp GS-F.

That is Lexus, not Toyota. Toyota is their value brand, Lexus is their luxury brand.

Luxury is defined as "a material object, service, etc., conducive to sumptuous living, usually a delicacy, elegance, or refinement of living rather than a necessity"

Luxury car makers charge a premium for vehicles that go beyond the actual cost to make them. For example, the Chevy Tahoe/Suburban is also the GMC Yukon and Cadillac Escalade. The Escalade has the largest profit margins of all 3 of those vehicles despite behind the same car underneath.

 

[vb22]

That is Lexus, not Toyota. Toyota is their value brand, Lexus is their luxury brand.

Luxury is defined as "a material object, service, etc., conducive to sumptuous living, usually a delicacy, elegance, or refinement of living rather than a necessity"

Luxury car makers charge a premium for vehicles that go beyond the actual cost to make them. For example, the Chevy Tahoe/Suburban is also the GMC Yukon and Cadillac Escalade. The Escalade has the largest profit margins of all 3 of those vehicles despite behind the same car underneath.

Ok, than can the same argument be made about the 86? Why would anyone buy it over the base Mustang?

 

[A70TTR]

^ BOOM, literally just took my argument before I had a chance to hit reply:

The engineers are aware of what the Mustang and other cars offer, and while thats taken into consideration, this car is much like the Toyota 86 (same chief after all). He does what he wants and makes the car as good as he can given the confines he's given.

Everyone bitched about the power level of the 86, and guess what? Still sold plenty of them and is a successful marketing tool

 

[solidsamir]

Ok, than can the same argument be made about the 86? Why would anyone buy it over the base Mustang?

Good point, the answer is they don't buy it over the Mustang.

in 2016, the Toyota 86 sold somewhere around 8000 units. The Mustang sold 105,932.....

furthermore, the Subaru BRZ sold about 5000...

So if Toyota intends to sell a good amount of Supras, they should consider the right price vs performance ratio

Everyone bitched about the power level of the 86, and guess what? Still sold plenty of them and is a successful marketing tool

Plenty is relative, compared to the amount of mustangs sold...it's a joke


Also, if you look at the polling on this forum...100% of users say they would not buy the Supra if it was 50-60k

 

[A70TTR]

and therein lies the truth...

they dont intend to compete with those sales, especially with a niche product whose segment has been empty at Toyota since 1998 in the U.S. (2002 in JP)

the philosophy behind the car is almost exactly the same as the 86. Make the car handle well, keep it as light as possible, and in this case add some more power.


~400hp in a car that weighs ~3100lbs is not bad at all; 86 is 2700lbs with 200hp.

 

[vb22]

Good point, the answer is they don't buy it over the Mustang.

in 2016, the Toyota 86 sold somewhere around 8000 units. The Mustang sold 105,932.....

furthermore, the Subaru BRZ sold about 5000...

So if Toyota intends to sell a good amount of Supras, they should consider the right price vs performance ratio

Thats the thing, its a niche product. They don't plan on being common like the Mustang. Earlier reports said they plan on making 60k units a year. I am assuming half and half for Toyota and BMW. If this car sucks so bad, than buy a Mustang.

 

[A70TTR]

yep^

I can already tell the car isn't for Craigy or solidsamir, so they should buy something else that appeases them.

 

[Craigy]

Even with 400 horsepower, for over $50k, it's going to have to be a real lightweight plus come with a large side of unicorn tears to be something compelling.

They'll definitely sell a handful. No doubt about it. But there's just too many other more compelling choices in the price range. And Toyota is not a premium product like BMW, Porsche, Audi, Alfa. They've got to compete with the pricetag and performance of stuff like Corvette and Mustang.

Like Samir said above, Mustang sells about ten cars for every 86 Toyota and Subaru sell. They're not trying to sell the most cars but the 86 is not what I'd call a huge success.

They set the expectation bar really high with the FT1, and then later kept up our appetites benchmarking it against a 911 GT3. Akio's words were "big power" and was sold on the project by the car's virtual laptime around Fuji. It's not supposed to be a low-power feelings car like 86.

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