All-new 2023 Nissan Z makes world debut!

[Bassoonytoon]

The 350/370 seems to be older than some of the people that comment here.

In fairness, that’s not hard to do. I found a picture of some FM chassis patiently waiting for assembly:

I kid, I kid

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[johnny_10196]

I guess I should have clarify. When I said "not necessarily a direct competitor" I was thinking in terms of fit and finish.

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

True, I saw the Z at the Cleveland Auto Show yesterday, but it was locked obviously. But it's not a far stretch to say that if you want a BMW level of quality interior, you'd have to step up to Infiniti.

Side note, I did sit in the new GR86 and that was surprisingly nice. Roomier than the old one, and a very nice steering wheel. Harder to get into than the Supra though. Think my head was between my knees trying to squeeze in ?

Right, and I don't think anyone here is saying that you're going to see top notch leather on a $40k car.

I'm actually glad you brought up the 86. Quality should improve over time. The 370 was an improvement over the 350 imo. We'll find out how this new Z stacks up.

It won't be. If you were to fully spec it similar to the GR Supra the Z will creep VERY close in price.

How so? A performance package will probably still be under a full loaded 4 banger.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

Right, and I don't think anyone here is saying that you're going to see top notch leather on a $40k car.

I'm actually glad you brought up the 86. Quality should improve over time. The 370 was an improvement over the 350 imo. We'll find out how this new Z stacks up.



How so? A performance package will probably still be under a full loaded 4 banger.

Right, exactly. It's just funny people are too stupid/biased/ignorant (take your pick) to realize there's more to a car than horsepower numbers.

"OMG the Z is better because it has (on paper) 18 more horsepower for $10k less!"

But they forget (conveniently) the interior, brakes, tires, diff, wheels, weight, and all the other things.

Those same people also forget, that if the Supra was badged as a BMW coupe, it would start in the $70k range and nobody would bat an eye. That's why I say the Supra is a better bargain than the Z will ever be. You pay a little more, but you get a lot more.

 

[MLG Tofu Shop]

In fairness, that’s not hard to do. I found a picture of some FM chassis patiently waiting for assembly:

I kid, I kid

I mean, you're not far off, the FM platform was already in the development in the 90s and debut in early 2000s, for cars that is old AF, and by the time it came out, it was average at best.

 

[vb22]

How so? A performance package will probably still be under a full loaded 4 banger.

Pretty much, a 2.0 with the Safety & Technology Package is about $48k.

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/t...e-on-2023-nissan-z-specs-release-pricing.957/

So to summarize:

1. Should see specs in April/May, with a release date in June
2. Pricing isn't set yet but estimates should fall Sport manual ~40k, Sport automatic ~42k, Performance manual ~45-47k, and Performance auto ~47-49k
3. There are a multitude of legal acrobatics that prevent a manufacturer from dictating what any dealership charges for a vehicle in the US.

 

[nosavingthrow]

Yup, $6600 difference between a cheap plastic Nissan interior, and a nice quality BMW interior. It may cost more, but the Supra is the better bargain.

Is this actually true? I've heard this both ways - some folks always describe it as BMW interior, but I've also heard a lot of the interior trim parts are not BMW but actually Toyota. Obviously, the electronics suite / iDrive etc are BMW, but if you compare the interior to the Z4, it looks fairly different in terms of parts, for example.

That said, this is all hearsay - I don't really know for sure one way or the other. Even if it is Toyota parts, it's on the nicer side for Toyota.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

Right, and I don't think anyone here is saying that you're going to see top notch leather on a $40k car.

I'm actually glad you brought up the 86. Quality should improve over time. The 370 was an improvement over the 350 imo. We'll find out how this new Z stacks up.



How so? A performance package will probably still be under a full loaded 4 banger.

I'm talking about the inline-six. And just a few grand cheaper than a car that's arguably better in every single performance metric is a hard sell.

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

I'm talking about the inline-six. And just a few grand cheaper than a car that's arguably better in every single performance metric is a hard sell.

History says otherwise, but ok.

Z31: 258,857
A70: 78,658

Z32: 82,760
A80: 11,446

Those same people also forget, that if the Supra was badged as a BMW coupe, it would start in the $70k range and nobody would bat an eye. That's why I say the Supra is a better bargain than the Z will ever be. You pay a little more, but you get a lot more.

Idk if I would phase it like that. That's like saying the ES is a better bargain than a Camry/Avalon because it has a nicer interior. Some people just don't need all the extra goodies. In closing, you get what you paid for. Like a few have stated, the Z is like the Japanese Mustang. Good performance for the money and a lot of people are just going to be fine with that.

 

[supraboi]

The biggest complaint that I'm seeing when it comes to the Z is that there will not be an option for LSD on the base model. I think it will cost about $2k with parts and labor to get an aftermarket one in there.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

History says otherwise, but ok.

Z31: 258,857
A70: 78,658

Z32: 82,760
A80: 11,446

I hope you realize the sheer price difference between those cars. Just saying.

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

I hope you realize the sheer price difference between those cars. Just saying.

Yeah like what? $5k-$6k differences depending on trim level.

2023 Z: $40k-$49k (est.)
2022 Supra: $43k-$55k

Not sure what your point is.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

Yeah like what? $5k-$6k differences depending on trim level.

2023 Z: $40k-$49k (est.)
2022 Supra: $43k-$55k

Not sure what your point is.

I'm talking about the price differences back in the day. And also think about the dollar and inflation. You need to take many things into account.

 

[MLG Tofu Shop]

The biggest complaint that I'm seeing when it comes to the Z is that there will not be an option for LSD on the base model. I think it will cost about $2k with parts and labor to get an aftermarket one in there.

It's kinda ridiculous that the Z still doesn't have a LSD as standard despite now having around 400 hp, even the much less powerful and much cheaper BRZ/GR86 has an LSD as standard.

 

[supraboi]

It's kinda ridiculous that the Z still doesn't have a LSD as standard despite now having around 400 hp, even the much less powerful and much cheaper BRZ/GR86 has an LSD as standard.

Yeah LSD should have been standard or at least an option at the very least. However, the argument of no car is 100% prefect can be made and many would probably say it would still be better getting a base Z and then installing an aftermarket LSD vs the 2.0 Supra.

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