All-new 2023 Nissan Z makes world debut!

[AHP]

Like, the ignorance and arrogance to say you're better in a manual than a transmission that literally shifts faster than you can blink? That kind?

What were Ferrari, McLaren, Lamborghini, Porsche, Nissan, thinking when they put paddle shifts only in their high performance cars, or in some cases, ALL their cars. All they needed was an ignorant and arrogant ? like you!

And by leasing my car, and investing the $45k instead, I made $130k.

Stupid me

'Shifting faster' isn't everything.. I understand it's hard for you to truly comprehend, having obviously only been a perpetual spectator and internet commentator. Keep your apples to moon pies comparison; we're talking about every-day attainable sports cars. I'm also talking from my own personal experience and you're just parroting what you've read or seen from behind a screen.


Imagine renting a sports car and thinking that gives you some credibility..

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[Loco38SUP]

Nobody cares about ET's except boy "racers" who can't race on real tracks. We'll see what the lap times are when they go head to head.

I wouldn’t say that around John Force. You might end up missing some teeth. ?

-RJM

 

[JoeDaMechanic]

Despite what you may have read in magazines there is absolutely no guarantee the manual will be slower. I'd put money on me running a quicker ET in a 6sp version of the Supra vs the auto, at least in stock to mildly modded form. The good news is with Z, we can put that to the test vs speculate, and I'm looking forward to that.

Can anyone else get in on that?
And vs who? yourself or anyone else in a stock Supra?
Because basically you're saying you'll be running 11's stock in a manual Z while shifting with shittier tires. I'd love to see that.

 

[Axix23]

I actually really enjoy my auto. And if I was to get a Z, I would opt for the auto as well. I am just tired of manual. I drove them in stop and go traffic for years….

 

[AHP]

Can anyone else get in on that?
And vs who? yourself or anyone else in a stock Supra?
Because basically you're saying you'll be running 11's stock in a manual Z while shifting with shittier tires. I'd love to see that.

You misunderstood.

 

[JoeDaMechanic]

You misunderstood.

Yeah, I thought you were saying you'd be faster than the Supra with a manual Z.
I re read your post and it was confusing... you said you'd be faster in a 6spd manual Supra.
But there isn't one and you're saying that with the Z you can test that.

So I'm going to go with a few implied things here. You think the new Z will be faster than the Supra, AND you think you're faster with a stick than an auto. So therefore it still stands that you should be faster in a 6spd Z than an auto Supra right?

 

[AHP]

Yeah, I thought you were saying you'd be faster than the Supra with a manual Z.
I re read your post and it was confusing... you said you'd be faster in a 6spd manual Supra.
But there isn't one and you're saying that with the Z you can test that.

So I'm going to go with a few implied things here. You think the new Z will be faster than the Supra, AND you think you're faster with a stick than an auto. So therefore it still stands that you should be faster in a 6spd Z than an auto Supra right?

I have no idea how the Z will fare against the Supra in stock form -- none of us do. Where was that ever implied? FWIW My prediction is they'll be comparable with the Supra leading marginally in most areas.

What I meant was - If there were a manual version of the Supra (there's not), I bet I could run a quicker ET than the car we actually have in stock'ish form. With the Z there is a manual, so I will be testing that. Meaning Z vs Z.

 

[suicidaleggroll]

Maybe you aren't looking hard enough or the ones in your area don't have retarded markups, but a quick look on autotrader is already showing as high as $69,870 on a 2022 model.

Nope, none of that near me. The most expensive MKV within a few hundred miles is a hair over 56k. That’s all moot though, you can’t use the jacked up prices in the middle of a supply crunch the likes of which the world has never seen before for one car, and MSRP for the other. Since the Z isn’t out yet, the only fair comparison is MSRP vs MSRP, which for a base model 3.0 Supra is 51k.

If that were a completely unrealistic price for the Supra then I could understand adjusting it, but it’s not. I just bought my 2021 premium new for $50k 5 months ago, and there was a base 3.0 on the lot in the high 40s. That wasn’t some special discounted or haggled down price either, that’s literally what the dealership was advertising on their website in both cases.

 

[digicidal]

I have no idea how the Z will fare against the Supra in stock form -- none of us do. Where was that ever implied? FWIW My prediction is they'll be comparable with the Supra leading marginally in most areas.

What I meant was - If there were a manual version of the Supra (there's not), I bet I could run a quicker ET than the car we actually have in stock'ish form. With the Z there is a manual, so I will be testing that. Meaning Z vs Z.

If there is artificial (aka electronic) throttle lag built in to the 6sp... then I would disagree. Since this is far less likely - otherwise it's a trip to stall city - I'd tend to agree. It appears to be random, and is thankfully a bit less in sport mode, but about every 10th start in the MKV you get handed a "free extra second" to think about things before the go juice gets flowing.

 

[JoeDaMechanic]

I have no idea how the Z will fare against the Supra in stock form -- none of us do. Where was that ever implied? FWIW My prediction is they'll be comparable with the Supra leading marginally in most areas.

What I meant was - If there were a manual version of the Supra (there's not), I bet I could run a quicker ET than the car we actually have in stock'ish form. With the Z there is a manual, so I will be testing that. Meaning Z vs Z.

I dunno much about the new auto for the Z, but I know for the old one that wouldn't be much of an accomplishment. Shifting faster and launching better than the trans in the Supra...that's a bit much.

If the new auto is garbage enough for you to beat it while shifting, then I think the margin will be fairly decent for both versions. I've seen enough and had enough seat time in a Z34 with a twin turbo V6 to say it was fun and quick back in 2010 but with the drive train in that... I don't think it'll even be close. Now if the new auto is halfway decent, it may be closer.

FWIW, I think it'll still be a pretty decent car for a lot of people. I just don't think it really stacks up against the Supra. Unless you really like the styling or are really set on a manual... as old and mediocre as the manual in that car is.

 

[Chgu]

I'd heard (and read a little on the Z forums) that the manual from the 370 isn't great for daily driving, but I thought there was something about them using a different clutch this time?

 

[Dannyvandelft]

'Shifting faster' isn't everything.. I understand it's hard for you to truly comprehend, having obviously only been a perpetual spectator and internet commentator. Keep your apples to moon pies comparison; we're talking about every-day attainable sports cars. I'm also talking from my own personal experience and you're just parroting what you've read or seen from behind a screen.


Imagine renting a sports car and thinking that gives you some credibility..

Yup! I'm just talking, having no track experience whatsoever
I have STI track pictures somewhere too, but I honestly can't be bothered. Point is, you're an idiot. Any moron can go in a straight line, you're proof of that. Buying a car for cash, while you could be tripling your money, just enhances that even more. By leasing I've made enough money to buy/lease my next car, a Cayman GT4. And it will be the PDK version, because it's better. So, go live your life a quarter mile at a time, in the Z it'll take 14 seconds or so, 15 with you shifting

 

[Axix23]

^^^^^ nice photos!!!

 

[SD_MK]

in the Z it'll take 14 seconds or so, 15 with you shifting

dead. ?

 

[Dannyvandelft]

^^^^^ nice photos!!!

Thank you. The RX-8 is a long time ago. Was a great handling car. Not so fast though. This was my first one. I had an R3 too at one point. The STI was boring on track to be honest. Too easy with the AWD lol. You could just throw it into a corner, and you could feel the computer sending the power to the wheels that needed it.
The Supra is incredible on track. The way that thing changes direction and handles elevation is jaw dropping.

dead. ?

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