Hybrid Supra Rumors & Chatter / B58 hybrid

[gymratter]

i think the only way to make a hybird FT1 afford is to drop in a tuned version of the 2GR-FXE for the GS450h (think 2007 FT-HS concept).

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[AZ Wildcat]

I don't see an AWD supra being that popular. The cost of having the option will be spread to RWD buyers too....I hope Toyota doesn't do this.

 

[black-supra]

I would rather have RWD.

 

[FRS-Man]

TOYOTA will switch to hybrid power for its next-generation 86 sports car and upcoming high-performance Supra revival.

The Japanese carmaker is already well advanced in the development of batteries and electric motors for its soon-to-expand sports car range.

Insiders tell Wheels the company is confident it can deliver performance gains and meet stricter emissions standards being phased in across the US and Europe by the end of the decade.

First out of the blocks will be the new Supra, due in 2018. Previewed as the FT-1 Concept at the 2014 Detroit motor show, and later presented in striking grey (pictured below) at Monterey in August the same year, the Supra production car will feature V6 power as well as an optional hybrid drivetrain.

Combined outputs of more than 300kW (400hp+) is anticipated – and needed if the Supra is to meet Toyota product guru Tetsuya Tada’s goal of challenging the Porsche 911.

Wheels’ spies tell us the Supra hybrid system will feature plug-in capability, with up to 50km of driving on electric power alone.

Hybrid sports cars are nothing new: the BMW i8 has shown how far modern plug-in tech can be pushed, while Porsche’s 918 took hybrid performance to the extreme.

But the only affordable hybrid sports car – Honda’s CR-Z – failed to sell, something no doubt weighing on the minds of Japanese engineers keen to ensure the 86’s lightweight, fun-to-drive and affordable philosophy isn’t lost.

Helping the hybrid charge, so to speak, is Toyota’s commitment to deliver a hybrid version of every model in its line-up by 2029.

The advance of battery and charging technology is also making electrified drivetrains more appealing – both to bean-counters and engineers.

Carmakers are finding that hybrid-petrol powertrains are a financially viable way to reach new emissions regulations, including the 95g/km CO2 target for passenger cars in Europe – an average of 3.8L/100km.

Toyota is already well advanced on fuel-saving hybrids – the Prius and its brethren lead the way, while the Camry Hybrid and upcoming Corolla Hybrid back it up.

But a high-performance hybrid is new to a brand often accused of delivering dull transport.

Toyota 86 program manager Tetsuya Tada told Wheels hybrid testing is well advanced, but hinted that any petrol-electric tech would need to be very different to what’s currently seen in Toyota hybrids.

Company boss Akio Toyoda – a keen backer of the 86 and more exciting Toyotas generally – will no doubt keep a keen eye on the project to ensure it lives up to the “waku doki” thinking he is instilling on new models. (Waku doki translates as the anticipation of an adrenaline rush.)

Tada is also keen to ensure the 86 doesn’t meet the same fate as the Celica and MR2.

Tada wouldn’t be drawn on the likely arrival of the next 86, but did point to the example of sports cars such as the Mazda MX-5 enduring with longer model cycles.

That means an all-new 86 might not appear before 2020, some eight years after the original.

“We have lots of ideas, but have just begun to think about the next 86,” he said. “We haven’t yet decided the details ... what kind of engine we will use, or the body styling.”

That said, the well-received styling of the original – considered the best-looking Toyota since the 2000GT – will mean little more than an evolutionary approach for the second-generation 86.

Tada says he is constantly asked by owners “not to change the 86 at all”. An equal number call for performance to be more “vivid”.

“It is easy to put on a turbo, but many 86 fans would not be so pleased. People are very passionate. We want to surprise them.”

A hybrid would certainly do that, especially to younger buyers typically more interested in connectivity and technology over cubic capacity and turbos.

http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/1606/toyota-300kw-supra-hybrid-targets-911/

 

[<TC OFF>]

Interesting... if Tada said that hybrid testing is well advanced then it sounds like it's most likely going to happen. Excellent news if its true that we'll get both a V6 and an optional hybrid option. Expands the possible pool of buyers and doesn't force a hybrid power plant on petrolhead.

 

[910ps]

Two questions I'm anxious to have answered is whether the V6 or the hybrid will be the sportier or more expensive option and which will have more HP. It'll also be interesting to see how the hybrid could be tuned in the aftermarket compared to the V6.

 

[Sun Devil]

That BMW-Toyota Sports Car Could Be Hybrid and All-Wheel Drive

The BMW Z4 replacement and return of the Toyota Supra could feature an advanced hybrid drivetrain powering all four wheels.

We've known for a while that BMW and Toyota are jointly-developing a new sports car. And while the BMW version is rumored to be a Z4 successor, and the Toyota version is expected to bring back the legendary Supra name, we still don't know many details. But the latest rumor suggests that both models will get some form of all-wheel-drive hybrid drivetrain.

Autocar reports that the two cars, set to arrive in 2018, will use both a BMW-sourced engine and electric motors to send power to all four wheels. Sounds a bit like the new Acura NSX to us.


But just because the two cars are being jointly developed and will likely use the same powertrain doesn't mean they'll be as similar as the Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ. The goal from the beginning has reportedly been to build two different sports cars.

"The one thing we're clear on now is that a platform for both companies can work," BMW's sales and marketing head Ian Robertson told Autocar. "The cars in themselves don't actually need to be positioned the same. The platform can spawn two positionings."

Presumably, that would mean the BMW version would be more luxurious, and the Toyota more affordable—but according to what we've heard, there won't be an M version of the BMW.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/news/a29931/bmw-toyota-sports-car-hybrid-awd/

 

[Hal]

http://www.autoworldnews.com/articl...s-all-wheel-drive-hybrid-option-confirmed.htm

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/toyota/88119/new-toyota-supra-2018-hybrid-power-for-new-sports-car

 

[Sun Devil]

BMW insider has said a hybrid version will be offered by Toyota.

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1278921

Engines expected are a four And a six cylinder but with exclusive output unique to this car which assists the less is more philosophy from BMWi.

The Toyota will offer a hybrid and it not unthinkable BMW might do so later.

 

[HKz]

Amazing! Great sources! I love how they get anything about the GT86 and Tada-san on tape or video but everything about the Supra successor is amazingly only in text coincidentally on websites that struggle to get traffic. I love the speculation, apparently no one can shut their trap until an official source is made from Toyota/BMW so they gotta keep saying bullshit like the Supra MIGHT be electrified.....we've heard this rumor for half a decade now.....I guess let's keep going!

 

[gymratter]

well they have been toying with the idea of a hybrid sports car with the FTHS and hybrid MR2 concepts among others. i think it will just be a matter of time until we see a hybrid sports car from Toyota.

 

[Hal]

There is the LC500h.

 

[FRS-Man]

Toyota just announced transmission and hybrid system in this press briefing.

Two automatic transmissions: the Direct Shift-8AT and Direct Shift-10AT.

Multistage THS II (Toyota Hybrid System II) developed for RWD vehicles.



Toyota reveals next-generation engines, transmissions and hybrid systems

TNGA (Toyota New Global Architecture) modular platform unveiled in 2015, we’ll see new technologies that should dramatically improve efficiency and dynamic performance levels for the brand.

Of most significance to buyers of Toyota’s regular models, there will be new 8- and 10-speed automatic transmissions. These will replace a number of 6-speed and CVT units currently in use in Toyota and Lexus vehicles and have been designed so that energy loss is at a minimum. They’re also lighter than the units they replace, and since they sit lower in the vehicle structure they also help lower the center of gravity.

But beyond efficiency, the engineers also focused on refinement and responsiveness. This was made possible by widened gears and a newly developed high-performance compact torque convertor, resulting in a broader gear lockup range.


Toyota 2.5-liter inline-4

Toyota will also be renewing its powertrain lineup. The automaker says that by the end of 2021 it will have introduced 17 new specifications based on nine engines, one of which, revealed today, is a 2.5-liter inline-4 with direct injection. The new engines employ high-speed combustion technology and a variable control system and should see a carbon dioxide reduction of around 15 percent for the combined Toyota and Lexus fleet by the end of 2021, compared to current levels.

A key focus has been on achieving greater thermal efficiency, which results in higher output per unit of fuel, due to a reduction in energy losses associated with, among others, exhaust and cooling systems and the movement of mechanical parts. Toyota says the new engines should on average deliver 10 percent better performance combined with 20 percent better fuel economy.

Like with the design of the transmissions, there has also been a focus on making the powertrains light and compact and installing them low in the vehicle to lower the center of gravity. Furthermore, to standardize the basic structure of these new engines, a modular design was used, helping to streamline the production and make it easier for further developments across the range.


Toyota Multistage hybrid system

Hybrid fans can look forward to some new technologies, too. One of these is a high-performance system called the Multistage THS-II (Toyota Hybrid System II). It’s designed for rear-wheel-drive applications, suggesting that it might appear in some Lexus models but also perhaps Toyota’s upcoming sports cars like the new Supra and a next-generation 86.

The Multistage in the name refers to there being both an E-CVT (electric motor integrated with CVT) and a conventional torque converter automatic. The benefit is that you get the efficiency of a CVT combined with the more sporting and engaging driving experience of a multi-gear transmission.

The technology was first shown on the Lexus LC 500h, where it was paired with a 3.5-liter V-6. Toyota says it has also designed it to work with a 2.5-liter inline-4.

Finally, Toyota has also developed a new plug-in hybrid system. It has a new dual-mode drive system that allows the electric motor previously used only as a generator to also provide direct driving power, resulting in improved performance, even when in electric mode. Another improvement is the addition of a larger lithium-ion battery to help boost the range in electric mode to approximately 37 miles.

Toyota intends to deploy these new technologies in a rapidly broadening range of vehicle models, starting in 2017.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/...tion-engines-transmissions-and-hybrid-systems

 

[Villa Jonny]

But... muh dual clutch!

 

[Craigy]

Took them long enough!

Sounds to me like the 8 and 10spd transmissions will become ubiquitous among their entire range. Hopefully that doesn't include the Supra though. The rest of the market has beaten them to this by years.

Also sounds like of the "17 new specifications" of engines, at least one will be something new for the Supra.

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