The MKIV vs MKV Thread

Discussion in 'General Supra Topics' started by Supra93, Dec 27, 2014.

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For those with mkiv's, will you be selling yours to get a mkv?

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  3. I don't own a mkiv

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  1. justbake

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    Thats not even a real BMW model, its a rendering of a hardtop E89


    The quad exhaust and diffuser are by-products of modern styling, thats pretty much the status quo on any new sports car. Also that isn't a BMW styling cue, the entire industry uses diffusers and dual exhausts.

    Reflectors hidden in the diffuser is also a modern design element that isn't specific to BMW

    I am pretty sure the new Camry uses the same emblem on the front end.

    The A80 and A90 duckbills goes both out at 45 with A90 being more obtuse on the up portion. We can get incredibly granular about the Z4 and FT1 duckbills but that argument ignores that the A80 (and A70) have duckbills of their own
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    As for similarities, I don't know any better way to say it than the A90 looks like the A80 if it were flexing. Lines become more pronounced and more aggressive, proportions exaggerated and muscular, and elements become meaner.
     
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    True, I did mention it was a rendering but it was a reference to how the rear glass tapers like the E86.
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    About the exhaust, I didn't say quad exhaust, I said dual exit. The Camry front emblem is domed but the rear is regular ol Toyota emblem. Yeah, it's common trend on sports cars today to have dual exit (as with sedans and SUV's with the lower bumper exhaust tips integrated into the bumper trend) but I thought we're talking about the MKV and MKIV similarities.

    Again, I don't see it. When I see the MKV rear, I see a heavily inspired FT-1 rear end and very little MKIV.
     
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    (I don't know why I wrote quad tips as a synonym for dual exit)

    I am not talking about physical similarities, I am talking about how the design similarities of the car has transformed over 25 years. There's no way they would look remotely similar after all this time, very few 90s cars have profound similarites with that respective model today.
    Unfortunately for the Supra, 16 years being out of production means it has lost 2 generations to make the gradual design transition from the 1993 design to 2020 design.
    If we imagine the FT-1 being a MK4.5, then we can more easily see the transition from MK4 -> FT1 (MK4.5?) -> MK5.
     
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    Oh ok. True, there are a few cars that transition to the next generation well but most tend to deviate so much that it could be qualify as a completely different model. IMO, Toyota is one of those who like to change it up so much.

    Most would agree (myself included) that the FT-1 was destined to be the next Supra because it was rolling art. I know it was exaggerated but it was something from Calty. It had a very nice wide and low exotic stance, it looked like it was very fast and ready to destroy any car that pulled up next to it. It had a very race-oriented and luxurious interior. All presented in glory and immediately blessed by those who saw it. Yet didn't look anything like the MKIV.
     
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    Even though the Supra name was out of production, the MKIV was still being succeeded (imo) by the LFA (High end), FT-1 (Mid range) and the FT-HS/86 (Low end). They are all Front engine, rear wheel driven coupes that share the same philosophy. LC-F will succeed the LFA, We got the MKV from the FT-1 and the 86 from the FT-86 and soon the 2nd gen 86. They all share the same DNA and you can definitely find similarities between them:

    - LFA has the same side profile as a lowered MKIV.
    - Head lights on the 86 are very similar to the ones on the LFA.
    - Door vents on the MKIV, LFA and MKV.
    - All 4 cars have almost the same dimensions.
     
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    The LFA is the successor to the 2000GT. Both a similar price point and performance point for the era, not to mention exclusivity.

    I think the supra sits below them. An LFA or 2000GT for the masses.
     
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    True, those two points I did not factor in as I was strictly speaking about how the car looks. Even Toyota likes to compare both the 86 and MKV to the 2000GT.

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    Interesting tidbit, its front end closely resembles the Sports 800
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    Would say that "closely" is a stretch. It does have the same number of grills, however.
     
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    Hindsight says loosely would have been a better word for it
     
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    Whenever any reporter or individual talks about the Supra on the internet, there is always a comment about "doesn't come with a manual yet, hopefully in the future, etc, etc". I mean a poll on this group had members taking a manual B58 Supra over an automatic Toyota engine Supra by a large margin.That's how much people want a manual in this car.

    And after all that Toyota says "if there is demand we will consider it".

    Damn Toyota how much more obvious does it need to get. Do we need to sign somewhere that we are buying manual equipped Supras? Down payments? Do we need to have demonstrations on the street yelling bring back the manual? Whats the deal here?
     
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    I don't understand this either, If people buy it then it's successful as an auto and they won't provide a manual. If they don't buy it then it's a failure and they won't spend more money on developing it.

    My only assumption is they expect people to put a refundable deposit on them and then "change their minds" because it's not manual?! Which isn't logical by any means as no one is going to want to waste their money or time on this.

    The internet isn't going to cut it either as you can't guarantee who's behind the keyboard (mostly trolls, 12 year olds, people who can't afford it, etc).

    We, the people, have no hand in this no matter how you look into it. If anyone does, it's probably journalists and youtubers who will make reviews of it and If many of them complain about the lack of a manual and insist on having it then Toyota will do something about it.

    Clarkson loved the 86 twins and didn't complain about the lack of power. All reviews that mattered showed how you don't need a ton of power to enjoy the car. Toyota left the power as it is. If anything they made it slower at high speeds by putting a 4.3:1 rear end in the latest models.

    My opinion is a manual is coming, it's just too easy and cheap to provide that they would be crazy not to. The 340i transmission literally bolts on to the B58. Just imagine all the hype a manual A90 will create when videos of it drifting show up. It will boost sales easily and Toyota would be crazy not to do it.
     

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