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Discussion in 'General Supra Topics' started by Supra93, Dec 27, 2014.
Doubtful... I really want the Supra to do well and I'm a MKIV owner if that counts for anything lol. I've read horror stories about these B58 engines in other forums ranging from engine issues, engine recalls, coolant issues, turbos, rod bearings blowing out, etc... Hopefully the aftermarket will either fix these issues or just make them more prone to happening. I have nothing against BMW and I feel like they make a great motor, but not one to last like the JZ series motors. BMW builds fun, short-lived, disposable engines that are built for cars meant to be leased. The good news is we are a lot closer to seeing these cars on the road and having them in the hands of tuners. As far as this car making people jump ship, I doubt it. Different strokes for different folks
I think we are forgetting the point that this is a New Car. Most New Cars now last over 100K miles before it experience any major services or any major issues. I am not suggesting that BMW will have major issues before 100K miles.
I do NOT want to rely on the aftermarket scene to make parts that I will need to upgrade just to make my engine or drive train last. I feel it is NOT their role to "fix these issues." Maybe some of us just want a New Car to be able to enjoy without adding any mods or upgrades. I guess only time will tell whether the MKV Supra will be reliable.
I have heard of very few issues for these engines. I have never heard of rod issues and most of the other complaints are from very early cars. They don’t really appear much if at all.
Tada san already knew these issues beforehand
^I totally agree with him about the low production numbers. In the US the actual numbers were 11,446. I was told ToyotaUSA is looking to sell about 1,000 A90s a month. If they can reach their sales goal that would mean the 1st full year of sales for the A90 would have already outsold the entire run of the A80 from 93-98.
I find it highly unlikely that they will be able to reach those goals when people start to cross shop. There are a lot of cars in that price range that are going to offer more bang for your buck. I think Toyota is relying on the fact that this car is called a Supra and LITERALLY EVERYONE has come to know what a Supra is. Once the nostalgia wears off and people see they can get more for their money, they will have a hard time selling these. Only time will tell though
I understand what you mean, but at the same time back when the FRS first appeared everyone said no one was going to by a $25k Scion over a Mustang or Camaro. Toyota North America's sales traget was 20,000 units.
It's great if they can sell that many, but at the same time that amount will make them "played out". The great thing about the MKIV was that the average person didn't see them every street corner (insert Civics, Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers, Corvettes, Miatas, Zs and etc).
And they still won't be. 10,000 a year is 1/10th of mustang sales, 1/8th of Camaro sales and less than 1/2 Corvette sales. They will definitely be more common than the MKIV for obvious reasons but that's not necessarily bad. Future replacement parts will be cheap and available everywhere. 2JZ parts are getting more rare and expensive fast not to mention MKIV specific parts that can only be bought second hand or at a wreck yard.
At best, it will be GTR common
I think people are missing the point as to why the Mk5 is a disappointment. Especially when compared to the Mk4
First of all the argument that it’s quicker is a moot point. Of course it would be after 25+ years. the fact it’s so little improved is the real issue.
Second people mention price. In 1993 the MkIV cost $40k it outperformed the Ferrari 348 at $122k and the Porsche 911 at $70k
The new supra is priced more than cars that outperform it.
These are just some of the reasons this car doesn’t live up to the original.
It breaks no barriers the original did at all.
I'm curious. What about this car compared to the MKIV is underwhelming? Also, what do you consider competitive performance in comparison to price. Toyota said they pinned the car against the Cayman/S/GTS (Possibly GT4 with the GRMN), do you think they choose the wrong target market?
Think about what you just said...they competed with Ferrari in the 90s...since then, all Ferrari has done was place R&D into the sole development of their supercars and, now, Hypercars...they are leagues beyond where they were in the 90s.
The reality is, there's a different competition nowadays, and Ferrari is on a level that will not be sought after from the likes of Toyota. It's just not realistic!