Craigy
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I don't know about 100lbs. There's not really much to those backseats... the added weight would be due to structural accommodations, if anything. 911s still have back seats and they're very lightweight.
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FT1freddy
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As does the FR-S/BRZ and they're just 2800 lbs.
supraninja
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Yea I looked at the wrong weights. The corvette's front seats weigh 60 pounds each. It looks like a rear seat delete for the Mustang takes out up to 50 pounds depending on model year. That's just the actual seat though, no doubt the structure would be redesigned if it were made as a 2 seater.
Peter_P
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The way I see it the MKV Supra will get either the BMW turbo 6 cylnder motor or the Toyota V8 engine from the RCF right?
Which of these would be capable of 518 hp or something north of 500HP? The BMW engine is pretty far from these figures.
Which of these would be capable of 518 hp or something north of 500HP? The BMW engine is pretty far from these figures.
FRS-Man
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BMW M3/M4 only has 425hp so it'd take some significant tweaking by engineers to get it to 500+ hp reliably.
Honestly tho the Supra would lose some luster for me if Toyota just stuck a BMW engine in there.
Craigy
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Exactly, there's no way that Toyota is going to take an expensive BMW powerplant, amp it up and sell it for the same or less money.BMW M3/M4 only has 425hp so it'd take some significant tweaking by engineers to get it to 500+ hp reliably.
Honestly tho the Supra would lose some luster for me if Toyota just stuck a BMW engine in there.
It would be the same logic using the RC-F powerplant, in addition to the tremendous weight that the V8 would add to the Supra.
kamran
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Do what Ford did! Use an engine based on Toyota's old Prototype endurance race cars (although Ford based it on the current Prototype). Cut two cylinders off the V8 Prototype and ...instant success! Might be considered old technology by today's Prototypes standards, but I wouldnt kick it out of my garage!
This engine would be economical to keep the price point in check, and they they don't have to go to the extent of Ford building exotics!
This engine would be economical to keep the price point in check, and they they don't have to go to the extent of Ford building exotics!
Levi
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So here is my take:
We know that BMW and Toyota are cooperating on a sportscar with a CF chassis as the i3 and i8. Rumors at BMW are that the Z4 will be relaced by a more up-market Z5. The Z5 fits the targeted FT-1 price, so I am very certain both FT-1 and Z5 share the same chassis.
An important date is November 2016, the date that the Z4 ends production. This time, 2016-2017, also fits the possible market start of the FT-1. But this time is also where the new Lexus LS should come, and this is where it becomes interesting.
Just as the NX "inaugurated" the new turbocharged 2.0l I4, so is the LS expected to "inaugurate" the new turbocharged six and probably eight cylinder engines. Whether the six cylinder engine will be inline or in Vee, depends on Toyota's powertrain strategy, if they'll continue with their's, or follow the BMW and Mercedes strategy of using the same 0,5l cylinder in different lenghts (3, 4 and 6 cylinders all inline).
Here is however why this is interesting: Both the LS600h and the IS F hit the market in 2008 with the new naturally aspirated 5.0l V8. They were the same engines, but slightly different to fit the different purpose of the cars, the LS600h has the 2UR-FSE and the IS F has the 2UR-GSE.
I can see this pattern repeating in 2017, with the new LS500h using a turbocharged 6 cylinder in combination with hybrid drive, and the FT-1 using a different variant of this turbocharged 6 cylinder engine without the hybrid drive. More than that, this turbocharged 6 cylinder engine does not seam like such a fantasy, as in the days the mule of the RC F, some sources were pointing to a turbocharged 6 cylinder engine.
Conclusion: as the Z4 replacement is yet some years ahead, and this car is likely to be the base of the FT-1, it is very likely Toyota will use its own engine, the one that should also come around that period in the new LS.
We know that BMW and Toyota are cooperating on a sportscar with a CF chassis as the i3 and i8. Rumors at BMW are that the Z4 will be relaced by a more up-market Z5. The Z5 fits the targeted FT-1 price, so I am very certain both FT-1 and Z5 share the same chassis.
An important date is November 2016, the date that the Z4 ends production. This time, 2016-2017, also fits the possible market start of the FT-1. But this time is also where the new Lexus LS should come, and this is where it becomes interesting.
Just as the NX "inaugurated" the new turbocharged 2.0l I4, so is the LS expected to "inaugurate" the new turbocharged six and probably eight cylinder engines. Whether the six cylinder engine will be inline or in Vee, depends on Toyota's powertrain strategy, if they'll continue with their's, or follow the BMW and Mercedes strategy of using the same 0,5l cylinder in different lenghts (3, 4 and 6 cylinders all inline).
Here is however why this is interesting: Both the LS600h and the IS F hit the market in 2008 with the new naturally aspirated 5.0l V8. They were the same engines, but slightly different to fit the different purpose of the cars, the LS600h has the 2UR-FSE and the IS F has the 2UR-GSE.
I can see this pattern repeating in 2017, with the new LS500h using a turbocharged 6 cylinder in combination with hybrid drive, and the FT-1 using a different variant of this turbocharged 6 cylinder engine without the hybrid drive. More than that, this turbocharged 6 cylinder engine does not seam like such a fantasy, as in the days the mule of the RC F, some sources were pointing to a turbocharged 6 cylinder engine.
Conclusion: as the Z4 replacement is yet some years ahead, and this car is likely to be the base of the FT-1, it is very likely Toyota will use its own engine, the one that should also come around that period in the new LS.
Craigy
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Only time will tell. I like Levi's speculation. History and current speculation on price seems to suggest they would use something in-house, inexpensive, but powerful. Turbo 6-cylinder seems like where the market is headed in terms of weight, cost, power and efficiency. Very few engines these days are entirely "brand new" but it will likely be a new derivative of something existing today.
black-supra
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I'm sure it will take a few months after the car is out for someone to try that
gymratter
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guys over at SF are already talking about swap FT1's drivetrain with a 2JZ.I'm sure it will take a few months after the car is out for someone to try that
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