Toyota Teases GR Line Up: Supra MK6, Celica MK8, MR2 MK4, 86 MK3 and GR GT

[Cptnslo]

Grain of salt I go but hmmm

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[bk5]

There's no chance a next gen Supra lands as a 27 model year.

The typical timeline for modern brand new car is 5-8 years. Keep in mind that C8 Corvette started development at the same time as C7 (if you ever hear engineers for Corvette mention they worked on C4, C5, C6, and C8, this is why). So unless Toyota was secretly developing the A100 since the A90 launched, we aren't going to see it this decade.

 

[PerformanceSound]

There's no chance a next gen Supra lands as a 27 model year.

The typical timeline for modern brand new car is 5-8 years. Keep in mind that C8 Corvette started development at the same time as C7 (if you ever hear engineers for Corvette mention they worked on C4, C5, C6, and C8, this is why). So unless Toyota was secretly developing the A100 since the A90 launched, we aren't going to see it this decade.

The LC will be a good base because it has provisions for a hybrid setup and the front section of the car is long enough to accommodate an inline type engine. Plus, they have all the tooling in place to ramp up production quickly.

However, like I said before, key focus is weight and rigidity….and that would mean a major diet for the LC platform (if they use it). I just hope we done get a “Z” version of the next Supra.

 

[Bryster]

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I just hope we done get a “Z” version of the next Supra.
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The Supra platform is a fantastic platform

 

[Vinny]

The LC will be a good base because it has provisions for a hybrid setup and the front section of the car is long enough to accommodate an inline type engine. Plus, they have all the tooling in place to ramp up production quickly.

However, like I said before, key focus is weight and rigidity….and that would mean a major diet for the LC platform (if they use it). I just hope we done get a “Z” version of the next Supra.

The only thing that intrigued me was (inline type engine) ?

 

[Bigboss]

Grain of salt I go but hmmm

Everything from facebook is totally legit

 

[KahnBB6]

There's no chance a next gen Supra lands as a 27 model year.

The typical timeline for modern brand new car is 5-8 years. Keep in mind that C8 Corvette started development at the same time as C7 (if you ever hear engineers for Corvette mention they worked on C4, C5, C6, and C8, this is why). So unless Toyota was secretly developing the A100 since the A90 launched, we aren't going to see it this decade.

Well A70TTR did tell us many months ago that a sportscar platform for both the Toyota and Lexus brands was already in development or was already developed in such a way that Toyota could get out of it what they want and Lexus can get out of it what they want.

I think we all assumed the Lexus side of it was the GR GT3 concept (LFR) but apparently it's for the new RC & LC replacement and next Supra with the Lexus supercar being on its own separate platform.

The Supra MKVI and new Lexus RWD coupe both sharing the same platform not only spreads the costs around but harkens back to the MKIII & Z20 Soarer and MKIV & SC/Z30 Soarer sharing the same platforms and engine families in the 80's and 90's. I'm sure Akio Toyoda among others in the company loves that.

And this 2.0L turbo 4cyl engine was already developed a few years back probably around the same time as the G16E but Toyota had no platforms to use it in yet.

So it seems they have been working on various aspects of an A100 while the A90 was being launched.

A70TTR also told us many times that MY2026 was always pre-planned to be the very last for the A90. A pre-planned 7-year model run.

They've also been very aware of how every year is precious if they want their dream lineup of performance and fun cars all on sale for enough years before much tougher regulations eventually make gas-only and manual gearboxes harder to offer.

So I'd say it's very likely that we see the next Supra well within this decade. We'll see if it'll come immediately on the heels of the final A90 model year or not.

 

[Bryster]

Well A70TTR did tell us many months ago that a sportscar platform for both the Toyota and Lexus brands was already in development or was already developed in such a way that Toyota could get out of it what they want and Lexus can get out of it what they want.

I think we all assumed the Lexus side of it was the GR GT3 concept (LFR) but apparently it's for the new RC & LC replacement and next Supra with the Lexus supercar being on its own separate platform.

The Supra MKVI and new Lexus RWD coupe both sharing the same platform not only spreads the costs around but harkens back to the MKIII & Z20 Soarer and MKIV & SC/Z30 Soarer sharing the same platforms and engine families in the 80's and 90's. I'm sure Akio Toyoda among others in the company loves that.

And this 2.0L turbo 4cyl engine was already developed a few years back probably around the same time as the G16E but Toyota had no platforms to use it in yet.

So it seems they have been working on various aspects of an A100 while the A90 was being launched.

A70TTR also told us many times that MY2026 was always pre-planned to be the very last for the A90. A pre-planned 7-year model run.

They've also been very aware of how every year is precious if they want their dream lineup of performance and fun cars all on sale for enough years before much tougher regulations eventually make gas-only and manual gearboxes harder to offer.

So I'd say it's very likely that we see the next Supra well within this decade. We'll see if it'll come immediately on the heels of the final A90 model year or not.

With the influx of Straight 6 engines, are there any plans for Toyota to introduce a new one?

 

[KahnBB6]

With the influx of Straight 6 engines, are there any plans for Toyota to introduce a new one?

I'm no insider so I've got nothing there. I've just listened carefully over time and put some pieces together that hold water for me.

Regarding that... PerformanceSound did mention (or said it was mentioned to him by someone) that the curious I-3 1.6L G16E (curious because why design a turbo I-3 when they apparently designed this new turbo 1.5L & 2.0L I-4 engine family at the same time?) was "came about by means of division and not subtraction".

That suggests it was halved from some design rather than being created by lopping off one cylinder from an I-4 engine.

Do we even have any rumors from any of the Japanese car mags to elaborate on this right now? Nope... not even that at this time.

But personally I feel it is a likely scenario. Again... I'm not connected to anything so all I can do is speculate like you.

But when the G16E was first released with the GR Yaris my first thought was "An inline-three that can handle a lot of boost...? Are they going to put two of them together next and make a new boosted inline-six...?"

I mean... Toyota is a huge corporation with a lot of resources and money. And with Akio Toyoda and others having run things for a long time now I'm sure they'd all like to do such a thing while they still can.

Toyota as a company also prefers to amortize costs a LOT even if they do any extracurricular fun car projects. And until recently an inline-six engine wasn't going to work in many of their vehicle platforms due to its length and usually longitudinal-only layout for RWD/AWD. Toyota's whole platform and engine family strategy was all in on I-4's and V-6's mostly with transverse FWD chassis for the longest time.

Now they're apparently committed to a new in-house RWD Supra and Lexus coupe chassis.

So my thinking is that, just as they once designed the 1GZ-FE 5.0L V12 by initially combining two 2.5L 1JZ's with no turbos... one way or another they could easily do this by combining two G16E's or the upcoming 1.5L variant.

...Or maybe it is as PerformanceSound suggested: that the initial skunkworks design for a new I-6 Toyota engine was already done a while back but with no immediate platform to put it in (and no, they couldn't have just put it into the A90 Supra since the entire crash structure and engine bay was designed around the B58 and B48 engines) and the need to justify the development costs they made the G16E I-3 from it while holding onto the design for later when an eventual in-house Supra MKVI and other models accepting of an I-6 engine were ready for production.

These scenarios are all possible. Toyota has already proved they are extremely cagey with things the performance/fun car fans want until they're ready to surprise us. The A90 finally getting its manual transmission after so much cageyness and denial is one example.

And then there's that "Under-promise and over-deliver" philosophy of theirs...

.....

But at this moment all we can do is hope there is a way that the G16E is actually related to long term plans to introduce a new entirely in-house I-6 performance engine design.

I am not surprised that the A100 is getting a hybrid drivetrain. That lines up with what A70TTR said about EVERY Toyota and Lexus model having, at bare minimum, a hybrid trim level available by 2026 except for whatever model series before that year will finish out their full production run before their replacement generation takes over. Some new regular family car models may even have all hybrid powertrains for all we know.

But the Supra and other GR models I personally suspect will offer a hybrid trim level while other trim levels of those models may not be hybrid for as long as possible.

And I do have my own personal hunch... and it's just my own hunch and nothing else... that this may mean the Supra will have more than just the new 2.0L inline-four turbo offered.

But I could be totally wrong so we'll see.

Also... with that factory test mule outgoing RWD Lexus RC with the new 2.0L I-4 turbo tuned up to 600hp for testing purposes *with* a manual transmission as an indication I'd expect we may see a variation of that in the next Supra and next Lexus coupe. Because in my thinking why would they go to all that trouble to design that configuration if they had no intention of using it in production?

 

[PerformanceSound]

I'm no insider so I've got nothing there. I've just listened carefully over time and put some pieces together that hold water for me.

Regarding that... PerformanceSound did mention (or said it was mentioned to him by someone) that the curious I-3 1.6L G16E (curious because why design a turbo I-3 when they apparently designed this new turbo 1.5L & 2.0L I-4 engine family at the same time?) was "came about by means of division and not subtraction".

That suggests it was halved from some design rather than being created by lopping off one cylinder from an I-4 engine.

Do we even have any rumors from any of the Japanese car mags to elaborate on this right now? Nope... not even that at this time.

But personally I feel it is a likely scenario. Again... I'm not connected to anything so all I can do is speculate like you.

But when the G16E was first released with the GR Yaris my first thought was "An inline-three that can handle a lot of boost...? Are they going to put two of them together next and make a new boosted inline-six...?"

I mean... Toyota is a huge corporation with a lot of resources and money. And with Akio Toyoda and others having run things for a long time now I'm sure they'd all like to do such a thing while they still can.

Toyota as a company also prefers to amortize costs a LOT even if they do any extracurricular fun car projects. And until recently an inline-six engine wasn't going to work in many of their vehicle platforms due to its length and usually longitudinal-only layout for RWD/AWD. Toyota's whole platform and engine family strategy was all in on I-4's and V-6's mostly with transverse FWD chassis for the longest time.

Now they're apparently committed to a new in-house RWD Supra and Lexus coupe chassis.

So my thinking is that, just as they once designed the 1GZ-FE 5.0L V12 by initially combining two 2.5L 1JZ's with no turbos... one way or another they could easily do this by combining two G16E's or the upcoming 1.5L variant.

...Or maybe it is as PerformanceSound suggested: that the initial skunkworks design for a new I-6 Toyota engine was already done a while back but with no immediate platform to put it in (and no, they couldn't have just put it into the A90 Supra since the entire crash structure and engine bay was designed around the B58 and B48 engines) and the need to justify the development costs they made the G16E I-3 from it while holding onto the design for later when an eventual in-house Supra MKVI and other models accepting of an I-6 engine were ready for production.

These scenarios are all possible. Toyota has already proved they are extremely cagey with things the performance/fun car fans want until they're ready to surprise us. The A90 finally getting its manual transmission after so much cageyness and denial is one example.

And then there's that "Under-promise and over-deliver" philosophy of theirs...

.....

But at this moment all we can do is hope there is a way that the G16E is actually related to long term plans to introduce a new entirely in-house I-6 performance engine design.

I am not surprised that the A100 is getting a hybrid drivetrain. That lines up with what A70TTR said about EVERY Toyota and Lexus model having, at bare minimum, a hybrid trim level available by 2026 except for whatever model series before that year will finish out their full production run before their replacement generation takes over. Some new regular family car models may even have all hybrid powertrains for all we know.

But the Supra and other GR models I personally suspect will offer a hybrid trim level while other trim levels of those models may not be hybrid for as long as possible.

And I do have my own personal hunch... and it's just my own hunch and nothing else... that this may mean the Supra will have more than just the new 2.0L inline-four turbo offered.

But I could be totally wrong so we'll see.

Also... with that factory test mule outgoing RWD Lexus RC with the new 2.0L I-4 turbo tuned up to 600hp for testing purposes *with* a manual transmission as an indication I'd expect we may see a variation of that in the next Supra and next Lexus coupe. Because in my thinking why would they go to all that trouble to design that configuration if they had no intention of using it in production?

It’s tough for someone to leak this kind of info because it’s just not fair to the manufacturers. I am sure a few prominent YouTubers had been given detailed information about other models (like the GTD Mustang or ZR-1 Corvette) before launch, and only hinted at small details during its development, leaving the manufacturers to have their moment during the official unveiling.

As for your reasoning, you’re not far off. There is definitely some uncertainty around a new Supra. I think there are two possible directions being considered.

1. A GR Supra based on an existing chassis, similar to how the GR Corolla was developed. In this case, they’d use a base chassis (likely from Toyota/Lexus) and add unique hardware for the GR version.

2. A Supra built from the ground up, with its design influencing other vehicles (e.g., new Lexus models). Initially, I thought this might be the route since the GT3/LFR seems to have been developed and tested before the Supra even became a topic of discussion. This approach, along with the rumors of a lightweight and rigid chassis focus, seemed to align with that idea.

However, I’m starting to lean toward the first direction now. It feels more likely that Toyota has an existing chassis in mind and plans to outfit it with unique GR-specific hardware. This approach mirrors the GR Corolla, which is based on the standard Corolla chassis but features completely unique hardware (engine, transmission, differentials, suspension, brakes, aero, etc.). Similarly, the new Celica (if it happens) might use the GR 86 platform with bespoke hardware. I think the new Supra will follow this pattern, built on an existing chassis but equipped with special GR components.

Curious to see how it unfolds!

 

[Bryster]

It’s tough for someone to leak this kind of info because it’s just not fair to the manufacturers. I am sure a few prominent YouTubers had been given detailed information about other models (like the GTD Mustang or ZR-1 Corvette) before launch, and only hinted at small details during its development, leaving the manufacturers to have their moment during the official unveiling.

As for your reasoning, you’re not far off. There is definitely some uncertainty around a new Supra. I think there are two possible directions being considered.

1. A GR Supra based on an existing chassis, similar to how the GR Corolla was developed. In this case, they’d use a base chassis (likely from Toyota/Lexus) and add unique hardware for the GR version.

2. A Supra built from the ground up, with its design influencing other vehicles (e.g., new Lexus models). Initially, I thought this might be the route since the GT3/LFR seems to have been developed and tested before the Supra even became a topic of discussion. This approach, along with the rumors of a lightweight and rigid chassis focus, seemed to align with that idea.

However, I’m starting to lean toward the first direction now. It feels more likely that Toyota has an existing chassis in mind and plans to outfit it with unique GR-specific hardware. This approach mirrors the GR Corolla, which is based on the standard Corolla chassis but features completely unique hardware (engine, transmission, differentials, suspension, brakes, aero, etc.). Similarly, the new Celica (if it happens) might use the GR 86 platform with bespoke hardware. I think the new Supra will follow this pattern, built on an existing chassis but equipped with special GR components.

Curious to see how it unfolds!

I'm just really curious because there's more Inline 6s now than there were when the Supra was decided on

 

[swrdply400mrelay]

It’s tough for someone to leak this kind of info because it’s just not fair to the manufacturers. I am sure a few prominent YouTubers had been given detailed information about other models (like the GTD Mustang or ZR-1 Corvette) before launch, and only hinted at small details during its development, leaving the manufacturers to have their moment during the official unveiling.

As for your reasoning, you’re not far off. There is definitely some uncertainty around a new Supra. I think there are two possible directions being considered.

1. A GR Supra based on an existing chassis, similar to how the GR Corolla was developed. In this case, they’d use a base chassis (likely from Toyota/Lexus) and add unique hardware for the GR version.

2. A Supra built from the ground up, with its design influencing other vehicles (e.g., new Lexus models). Initially, I thought this might be the route since the GT3/LFR seems to have been developed and tested before the Supra even became a topic of discussion. This approach, along with the rumors of a lightweight and rigid chassis focus, seemed to align with that idea.

However, I’m starting to lean toward the first direction now. It feels more likely that Toyota has an existing chassis in mind and plans to outfit it with unique GR-specific hardware. This approach mirrors the GR Corolla, which is based on the standard Corolla chassis but features completely unique hardware (engine, transmission, differentials, suspension, brakes, aero, etc.). Similarly, the new Celica (if it happens) might use the GR 86 platform with bespoke hardware. I think the new Supra will follow this pattern, built on an existing chassis but equipped with special GR components.

Curious to see how it unfolds!

To me, in the current line up of Toyota/Lexus there doesn't seem to be a suitable chassis. The most obvious would be the RC chassis, but it seems to be outdated - it's much larger/heavier than the current generation Supra. Unless they've already developed a new RC chassis with the Supra in mind...

 

[PerformanceSound]

To me, in the current line up of Toyota/Lexus there doesn't seem to be a suitable chassis. The most obvious would be the RC chassis, but it seems to be outdated - it's much larger/heavier than the current generation Supra. Unless they've already developed a new RC chassis with the Supra in mind...

Yeah, that is the part I still don't have any information on. My guess is it is one of the "future" sports models that Akio presented a while back. Remember, there were two sports cars.....one looked like what could be the next "LFA" and the other I don't know what it was anticipated to be...but I am assuming it might be that. There was also a big push to ramp up Carbon Fiber production. As exotic as carbon fiber is, it is not a great material to use in Luxury cars as it has high NVH so I assume it might be used on the Supra but not on the Lexus.

 

[bk5]

I hope they don't base the next Supra on the N platform (IS, RC). If they do, it's inevitable that the car will end up being a porker, just like every other small car based on a larger car. I like the RC-F, but it's really an American Muscle car built by a Japanese company - big, heavy, comfy, with a V8.

The Supra deserves its own bespoke platform, like the 86 gets, but if they must share a platform, I hope Toyota shares it with the 86. Who wouldn't love a GR86 powered by a "G32E" 3.2L I6 turbo, with some higher end materials used in the suspension? Especially if they can keep a similar $65k price point.

 

[MisterSkiz]

I hope they don't base the next Supra on the N platform (IS, RC). If they do, it's inevitable that the car will end up being a porker, just like every other small car based on a larger car. I like the RC-F, but it's really an American Muscle car built by a Japanese company - big, heavy, comfy, with a V8.

The Supra deserves its own bespoke platform, like the 86 gets, but if they must share a platform, I hope Toyota shares it with the 86. Who wouldn't love a GR86 powered by a "G32E" 3.2L I6 turbo, with some higher end materials used in the suspension? Especially if they can keep a similar $65k price point.

The poor RC-F was a Frankenstein chassis and then made heavier as they had planned to make it a convertible - so it was beefed up for that .....at least is what I heard from Techs who went to training on them.

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