Toyota Teases GR Line Up: Supra MK6, Celica MK8, MR2 MK4, 86 MK3 and GR GT

[KahnBB6]

This is the only article referencing the double decklid approach that I could find in a quick one page search. I read at least two other articles around that timeframe going into the same sometime in the last two years.

Anyway this one is from almost two years ago. Since then they'd have come much further along in the overall MR2 project.

https://japanesenostalgiccar.com/toyota-mr2-revival-single-or-double-decklid/

The last two other subsequent big developments we have heard about since then were the "change" to the G20E 2.0L turbo four cylinder engine (I think it's obvious at this point that they just didn't say much about the four cylinder at first and always planned to use it since it was designed around the same time as the G16E 3-cyl)... and the issues they were having dialing in the suspension and handling while using the GR Yaris mid-engine prototype as a test and R&D mule (which they apparently solved already).

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[Bryster]

A GR MR2 vs a $300,000+ Ferrari 296... not very likely!

as far as being a Small Performance Demon

 

[rottmore]

A GR MR2 vs a $300,000+ Ferrari 296... not very likely!

Toyota won't.... but WE can.

Need to start my spreadsheet of parts I'm going to buy.

 

[Ron L]

I don't want to have to do a bunch of upgrades to make it good. I want it as fast & well equipped as the current Supra and handling as good as a current Miata. Small, fast comfortable!

 

[SupraYYJ]

I'm honestly just looking forward to a fun lightweight mid engine car that hopefully looks amazing and at a good price point.

I want a pony.

 

[rottmore]

I want a pony.

I should've picked up pony riding as a hobby instead of cars. Would have been much cheaper.

 

[PerformanceSound]

3-4-6-8 strategy.

3cyl Turbo (GR Yaris, GR Corolla)
4cyl Turbo (GR MR, GR 86)
6cyl Turbo (GR …?…)
8cyl Turbo (GR GT)

Curious on the cylinder head design of the GR GT….will one the two 4cyl banks closely resemble the upcoming 4cyl motor?

 

[Loco38SUP]

3-4-6-8 strategy.

3cyl Turbo (GR Yaris, GR Corolla)
4cyl Turbo (GR MR, GR 86)
6cyl Turbo (GR …?…)
8cyl Turbo (GR GT)

Curious on the cylinder head design of the GR GT….will one the two 4cyl banks closely resemble the upcoming 4cyl motor?

More like 4-8 strategy.

4-cylinder (GR 86, GR Corolla, GR Yaris)
4-cylinder Turbo (GR MR2, GR Celica)
4-cylinder Turbo Hybrid (GR Supra)
8-cylinder Turbo Hybrid (GR GT)

-RJM

 

[PerformanceSound]

More like 4-8 strategy.

4-cylinder (GR 86, GR Corolla, GR Yaris)
4-cylinder Turbo (GR MR2, GR Celica)
4-cylinder Turbo Hybrid (GR Supra)
8-cylinder Turbo Hybrid (GR GT)

-RJM

Has it been confirmed the Supra will definitely be a 4cyl? All speculation no?

 

[Loco38SUP]

Has it been confirmed the Supra will definitely be a 4cyl? All speculation no?

All speculation but this new 4-cylinder G20E is capable of 600hp. Why would Toyota spend millions to develop or integrate an inline 6 when this engine has such a high ceiling.

-RJM

 

[KahnBB6]

All speculation but this new 4-cylinder G20E is capable of 600hp. Why would Toyota spend millions to develop or integrate an inline 6 when this engine has such a high ceiling.

-RJM

Maybe because they already spent millions to develop the G16E inline 3 and have already been using it in several vehicles so as to amortize costs (GR Yaris, GR Corolla, Lexus LBX GR & 1.5L I-3 hybrid, GR Starlet). Since it really isn't that much more of a stretch to do so they can easily join two I-3's together to make a new I-6.

They developed the G16E 3-cyl and G20E 4-cyl engines pretty much around the same time. They just sat on the G20E for a while until they were ready to begin using it in new product lines since they had no models designed to make use of it at first.

This also includes non-GR hybrid variants, non-GR lower power turbo variants and non-GR non-turbo variants. Cost spreading and cost amortization of entire new engine families. Not just purely GR versions of these engines.

Also they pretty blatantly advertised that they want equivalents of the 1JZ/2JZ-GTE and 3S-GTE back in their teaser computer screen ending of their anime series. The series exists primarily to hint their next moves for the GR product range.

The G20E is indeed capable of 600hp in race trim without hybridization and I'm sure they fully intend to make use of it in more than just the MR2, GR Corolla and hybrid Supra 2.0 (which will exist for lower tax bracket purposes in Japan, Italy and other countries which tax significantly higher above 2.0L).

I3-I6 strategy (with much more emphasis on the I-3's to make a better I-6 business case)
I4-V8 strategy

Also they could do an I3-V6 strategy if they wanted to. Most likely a 60-degree V6. The 2GR-FSE and 2GR-FKS will eventually be retired.

The Supra MKVI would certainly get the I-6 but it wouldn't be the only model getting some version of the I-6. The new Lexus RWD coupe for example. Possibly a larger SUV-like vehicle as well. Possibly a sport sedan that's RWD.

The G20E x2 V8 in the halo car GR GT/GT3 may or may not be seen in another model depending on how exclusive they want that engine to be.

 

[KahnBB6]

Has it been confirmed the Supra will definitely be a 4cyl? All speculation no?

Toyota has more or less confirmed there will be a 2.0L 4cyl turbo hybrid variant trim level of the Supra MKVI. And they do need this for any global markets (Japan included) which tax significantly higher for engines displacing more than 2.0L.

But there's no reason they can't offer another engine type in alternate trim levels of the Supra MKVI and never explicitly said they wouldn't.

Toyota has done this before with multiple displacement drivelines in the 1986-1992 MKIII before they went back to the same approach with the MKV.

 

[Rob_SER]

from the Engineering Explained video, the V8 in the GR GT does not even have the same bore and stroke as the G20E, so the assumption that it's juste 2 G20E joined together might not be accurate...

same information in the MotorTrend article:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/new-toyota-twin-turbo-v8-technology-first-look

 

[PerformanceSound]

from the Engineering Explained video, the V8 in the GR GT does not even have the same bore and stroke as the G20E, so the assumption that it's juste 2 G20E joined together might not be accurate...

same information in the MotorTrend article:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/new-toyota-twin-turbo-v8-technology-first-look

Modular approach doesn't always mean the same bore and stroke. I could see a G16, G20, G30, and G40?

 

[Rob_SER]

i'm no expert in that field.

But I always was under the impression that modular means more or less cylinders and maybe different stroke, but changing the bore, that's a completly different story

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