Wagner Tuning Manifold....Thoughts?

[rottmore]

More logs if anyone interested. I wanna say that these were the logs with ambient @ 87* but take it with a tablespoon of salt. They should be 3 consecutive pulls.

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=6716fe2f0b2f342232346a6e
https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=6716fe300b2f342232346a6f
https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=6716fe304e2cc30a4947535f

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[AJRMKV]

More logs if anyone interested. I wanna say that these were the logs with ambient @ 87* but take it with a tablespoon of salt. They should 3 consecutive pulls.

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=6716fe2f0b2f342232346a6e
https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=6716fe300b2f342232346a6f
https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=6716fe304e2cc30a4947535f

IAT in the logs range from 76 to 90, definitely not over 70 ambient

When I look at straight line applications it definitely seems like single pass for coolant and air are superior based on the data.

 

[razorlab]

More logs if anyone interested. I wanna say that these were the logs with ambient @ 87* but take it with a tablespoon of salt. They should 3 consecutive pulls.

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=6716fe2f0b2f342232346a6e
https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=6716fe300b2f342232346a6f
https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=6716fe304e2cc30a4947535f

Kind of surprised to see the IAT increase 10F in one single 5th gear pull.

However, that tune seems suss as hell. I bet your IAT will get better with a more solid tune. You mentioned you already moved away from it, right?

 

[rottmore]

IAT in the logs range from 76 to 90, definitely not over 70 ambient

When I look at straight line applications it definitely seems like single pass for coolant and air are superior based on the data.

Yea your right. I gotta go through my mess of datalogs again, because i swear i have logs on a very hot day.

 

[rottmore]

You mentioned you already moved away from it, right?

Definitely.
Long story short, you mentioned it in your self-tuning thread
https://www.supramkv.com/threads/self-tuning.15851/post-383975
https://www.supramkv.com/threads/self-tuning.15851/post-384343

Dropped him like third period french when he started pushing back on requesting to have the tune more dialed in with a more linear throttle.

 

[rottmore]

Not like it matters, but i think i found some hotday street logs. I have no idea what i was trying to do, but that throttle was far from linear. First basemap on the manifold.

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=66f4b5968877602ae1c9bd4f
https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=66f486a38877602ae1c9ba97
https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=66f486a2900f53418384f956

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=67008e909cf04f6c6ffb6c91
https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=66f8ca6974f7a34ab55d0afc
https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=66f8ca699cf04f6c6ffa979d

 

[rwense]

Definitely.
Long story short, you mentioned it in your self-tuning thread
https://www.supramkv.com/threads/self-tuning.15851/post-383975
https://www.supramkv.com/threads/self-tuning.15851/post-384343

Dropped him like third period french when he started pushing back on requesting to have the tune more dialed in with a more linear throttle.

"Like third period french" haha, I know that feeling

 

[maniac]

The testing they did was shown to be pretty unimpressive. Ambient temps were ~40° and still IATs climbed 20-30°.

Appears to be mainly a show piece.

Better than stock, sure, by a couple degrees, pressure drop is ok. I would never run something like that with those kind of numbers on my car.

How did this post age? There is a track car in Australian heat running around with this and data shows timing not being pulled?
Worked best with their updated heat exchanger of course.
Have you seen any new data over there?

 

[razorlab]

How did this post age? There is a track car in Australian heat running around with this and data shows timing not being pulled?
Worked best with their updated heat exchanger of course.
Have you seen any new data over there?

This is back when all the car bowlers would only whore out the EOS manifold and anything else was "crap". Just ignore them.

The Wagner has been proven by many track cars at this point. Data is data. Opinions are... opinions.

 

[rottmore]

Yea, i was expecting allot more from the EOS at the price point. Wasn't a huge difference from stock. Felt like i should have just ran water/meth and saved the money.

 

[rottmore]

Although, I absolutely love the design of the intake plenum. Just from looking at it, you can tell mike did a great job with the CFD analysis. Its definitely made for high boosted applications.

 

[licklobster]

How did this post age? There is a track car in Australian heat running around with this and data shows timing not being pulled?
Worked best with their updated heat exchanger of course.
Have you seen any new data over there?

I can do a 40-140 pull with my wagner and iat doesn't move.

It works. Well.

 

[FLtrackdays]

MegaLogViewer makes it easy to setup a custom math channel that visualizes what you are talking about. I use it a bunch.

Here is an example that is Charge temp - IAT, which basically shows how much heat the Mani-cooler is shedding. It's shedding 223F in this instance:

This is back when all the car bowlers would only whore out the EOS manifold and anything else was "crap". Just ignore them.

The Wagner has been proven by many track cars at this point. Data is data. Opinions are... opinions.

Is this everything needed to get those beautifully low temps? Updated link below:

https://www.wagner-tuning.com/produ...-evo1-fuer-toyota-supra-gr-mk5-200001175.html

It’s so tempting… if that’s all you need.

 

[DarkZupra]

Heres the question im trying to solve for myself:

Wagner or DO88 Mera?

 

[razorlab]

Is this everything needed to get those beautifully low temps? Updated link below:

https://www.wagner-tuning.com/produ...-evo1-fuer-toyota-supra-gr-mk5-200001175.html

It’s so tempting… if that’s all you need.

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