Wagner Tuning Manifold....Thoughts?

[razorlab]

Any new info on the Wagner. I was just about to purchase one, but found this thread and got me second guessing my choice.

For curvy track use, works the same as EOS (data has been shared from both in the thread linked above). I like seeing data, not just people saying things work well or don't.

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[decodeddiesel]

Any new info on the Wagner. I was just about to purchase one, but found this thread and got me second guessing my choice.

 

[maniac]

One of the faster track supra guy in Australia uses the Wagner and raves about it.

is this guy on the forum? I'm from Sydney also...

 

[Nugs]

That car was sold to a new owner in QLD.
He's on Performance Forums and took it to WTAC this year.

 

[cpunlamd]

You'll see a lot of recent testing done on the Wagner unit from 3rd party members with real time data (Youtube). It does in fact do very very well with cooling. Note that CSF and EOS has their short comings as well. Heat soak on a metal unit replacing the factory plastic one is common sense. In short, do not discount the Wagner unit. Wagner is way more affordable and offers comparable performance and all the amenities such as additional vacuum/ports and port injection for 1/2 the cost.

 

[razorlab]

You'll see a lot of new testing done on the Wagner unit (newly revised) from 3rd party members with real time data (Youtube). It does in fact do very well with cooling. The CSF and EOS has their short comings as well. Heat soak on a metal unit replacing the factory plastic one is common sense. IMO do not discount the Wagner unit. The revised one in even more affordable and offers all the amenities such as additional vacuum/ports and port injection for 1/2 the cost.

I wouldn't say "newly revised". I've been running it for almost two years now.

 

[AJRMKV]

You'll see a lot of recent testing done on the Wagner unit from 3rd party members with real time data (Youtube). It does in fact do very very well with cooling. Note that CSF and EOS has their short comings as well. Heat soak on a metal unit replacing the factory plastic one is common sense. In short, do not discount the Wagner unit. Wagner is way more affordable and offers comparable performance and all the amenities such as additional vacuum/ports and port injection for 1/2 the cost.

Is the Wagner a single pass?

I'm looking for something that's good for car bowling and circuit

 

[AJRMKV]

I wouldn't say "newly revised". I've been running it for almost two years now.

Are you seeing 10-15 degrees above ambient when cruising?

 

[razorlab]

Are you seeing 10-15 degrees above ambient when cruising?

Yes and about 18-20 on longer cruises in the summer.

That data point isn't a really good one to communicate effectiveness of a manifold though.

Can it still shed heat effectively lap after lap?

In this example, on lap 17, the manifold is still able to shed 220F worth of heat from the system.

 

[AJRMKV]

Yes and about 18-20 on longer cruises in the summer.

That data point isn't a really good one to communicate effectiveness of a manifold though.

Can it still shed heat effectively lap after lap?

In this example, on lap 17, the manifold is still able to shed 220F worth of heat from the system.

That's great, understood that it's efficacy is measured by its ability to shed heat. Out of curiosity, what was ambient during that log?

 

[razorlab]

That's great, understood that it's efficacy is measured by its ability to shed heat. Out of curiosity, what was ambient during that log?

Kinda cool for that example at 59*F

Here are more examples in warmer conditions... I'll add coolant/oil/trans temps as well for full picture. Keep in mind this is also me pushing my Pure700 pretty hard at 28-29psi out the top of the rev range.

75*F Ambient. 12 laps in. 214*F heat shedding

77*F Ambient. 11 laps in. 224*F heat shedding

80*F Ambient. 11 laps in. 217*F heat shedding

 

[AJRMKV]

Kinda cool for that example at 59*F

Here are more examples in warmer conditions... I'll add coolant/oil/trans temps as well for full picture. Keep in mind this is also me pushing my Pure700 pretty hard at 28-29psi out the top of the rev range.

75*F Ambient. 12 laps in. 214*F heat shedding

77*F Ambient. 11 laps in. 224*F heat shedding

80*F Ambient. 11 laps in. 217*F heat shedding

Life as a colorblind man..

Do you have a datazap so I can take a closer look?

 

[Z4m40i]

I have a similar experience with the Wagner manifold. It’s very effective.

Pure 850 turbo.

 

[AJRMKV]

I have a similar experience with the Wagner manifold. It’s very effective.

Pure 850 turbo.

What kind of timing corrections do you see during your session?

 

[razorlab]

Life as a colorblind man..

Do you have a datazap so I can take a closer look?

What do you want to see that aren't in those screenshots?

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