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So we had a bit of a spirited debate about JB4 in the ECU section and someone may have mentioned they thought my 2020 with JB4 would only run 12.5 - 12.8 And that it would be slow. So that had me curious…

I know the 2020 is down on power vs 21-23 cars but how much and what does that translate to in the real world. Well just happened to be test and tune at BMSP this evening so I said screw it and drove the almost 70 miles from my house to the track. I got there at 9:20 pm and got my first run at 9:52 and my 2nd run at 10:46. So at least a little cool down but the car still showed it was running at normal operating temp.

My car: 2020 Supra with 16k on it. Has Autowerke catted Downpipe, JB4 running Map 3. These are the only real power adding performance mods. It has the charge pipe and intake from injen but we all know that is 0 HP and just for looks and sound (which I‘m ok with cuz it does look and sound cool). My car also has 305’s back and 275’s front and the ADV1 Wheels are just slightly maybe 2-3lbs heavier than stock. So not bad but the big fat tires and new rims are a tick heavier than stock.

I didn’t do anything for track prep. Didn’t lower tire pressure or ice down the intake or any of that jazz. i wanted to know what the car would run in the exact same config I run on the street. I did use Launch Control, it worked flawlessly both passes. I don’t know if that helped me or hurt me didn’t have time to do some foot brake stuff only so thats what I could do.

Best pass 11.89 @ 115mph and followed that up with a super consistent 11.9 @ 115 with both slips looking super close to each other.

For reference there were 2 other supras there this evening.

1st one was a white 21 with JB4 and E85 running 12.09 best but MPH was like 120 which was pretty awesome.
2nd one was a blue 22 with MST intake and catless Downpipe NO Tune and he was also running about 12.07, 12.09 but at 115mph Same as me.

To kinda see how it compares to other Supra’s In FL weather here is TRC’s car which they have run at Brandenton as well with an ECU tune tune only on drag radials car went 12.2 with a best of 12.12 @ 113 in stock trim average was 12.6 @ 108.

So I feel good about the overall results. A lot of people hate on JB4 but at least on my car it made a monster difference, car ran strong and very consistent even on street tires after a long drive and no fancy spraying NOS into the radiators or icing the intake down to get the best pass. I don’t like doing that stuff simply because that just isn’t how I run it on the street. I’m sure with a little race gas in it it would do even better.

Hopefully some real world results we can all see especially since FL is muggy and usually pretty hot. Tonight was about 70*’s at the track, it was muggy but the track prep was solid and the car just hooked and booked on the 305 Michelin 4S’s.

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Did you log those passes? How were IATs?

FWIW, your MPH seems pretty low for a JB4 car, but you are in Florida heat. I'm definitely curious to see a log.

This is from a JB4 pass last summer before it was time to go full racecar. 1.8 60', right in line with yours. 7.49/96mph in the 8th, 11.4/122mph 1/4. Jesse tune.

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These all seem low. I think I recall running 11.9 when my car was completely stock
 

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These all seem low. I think I recall running 11.9 when my car was completely stock
That’s what I was told about my 12.5 stock runs in FL (in a 2020), but idk - I was consistently at 12.5 stock (at 110).

@Phantomx - stock 2020 in FL data - https://www.supramkv.com/threads/stock-vs-visconti-stage-2-ots-dragy-gains.13423/

I think it’s always good to check logs and make sure that everything is running smoothly, but if I was trapping 110 stock and got 114 running a built in map on JB4, I’d be content.

Thinking I could squeeze out another 6mph+ with a custom JB4 tune seems like a no brained if you’re committing to the JB4 route.

@zrk was that a pump tune from Jesse? If so, even more incentive to drop a little extra for a custom JB4 tune.
 
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TRC did another video with the same Supra with Meth, catless Downpipe and and ECU tune and managed an 11.58 so to be Just a bit behind that with just JB4 and catted downpipe. Not sure how much difference a cattless downpipe vs catted downpipe makes but it seems to be better catless. So I may swap that out and give it another go. Many say full Exhaust doesn’t really do much peak but makes a bit more under the curve so maybe I’ll do that. Cool thing is lots of options and makes the car pretty quick and over all pretty happy with just a couple mods and running 11’s Consistently.
Did you log those passes? How were IATs?

FWIW, your MPH seems pretty low for a JB4 car, but you are in Florida heat. I'm definitely curious to see a log.

This is from a JB4 pass last summer before it was time to go full racecar. 1.8 60', right in line with yours. 7.49/96mph in the 8th, 11.4/122mph 1/4. Jesse tune.

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IAT’s were about 120 at the start then 133 and as high as the 140’s near the end of the run then they go right back down to 120’s.

For comparison the other 21 Supra on E85 said he was seeing IAT’s of 170+ using a stock air box I have the Injen so at least it does work at lowering IAT’s vs Stock box.

AFR’s looked good during the pass I can see them drop down into the 12’s, you see The shift blip where the AFR goes up and then goes right back down to 13-12 which at higher boost is what we want.

Boost surprised me. Full on it was hitting 19PSI with the DME calling for 14psi which just messing about quick 1 gear pulls I don’t see to much. The log said my quickest 0-60 was 3.35.
 
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These all seem low. I think I recall running 11.9 when my car was completely stock

Your car is a 21 those make almost 50hp more stock vs my 2020. Most 2020’s I’ve seen on YouTube ran an average of 12.8. There is a TRC video of there tuned 2020 running a totally stock 2020 and the stocker also ran 12.8. When they ran the car before tune on street tires it ran 12.78 so they seem to be pretty consistent.
 
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@zrk Hopefully this posts but it might be too much text. On the plus side as well 0-60 was 3.35 so pretty stoked about that too.

if @Jesse DaBears could improve on this I’d be happy to have him tune, we chatted in the ECU thread and he said he didn’t want to do 2020’s because, his words, they suck n JB4 is what he basically said and he wasn’t going to do them anymore (For the 20 cars).

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IAT’s were about 120 at the start then 133 and as high as the 140’s near the end of the run then they go right back down to 120’s.

For comparison the other 21 Supra on E85 said he was seeing IAT’s of 170+ using a stock air box I have the Injen so at least it does work at lowering IAT’s vs Stock box.
I’m assuming it’s the injen evolution, if so, it gets air in 100% exactly the same way as the oem intake, fed through the oem feed from the front of the car, so it will make zero difference in IAT.

Also, the proper way of measuring intake temp changes from the intake is logging the temp sensor before the mani-cooler, not after. Then if you measure post mani-cooler, you can see the delta.
 

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@Phantomx I missed that you had a 2020. Flash it and send it!

Catted vs catless starts to matter more in 500hp+/10s range. Many catted cars in the 10s.
 
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Also wanted to Add. I’ve only spent $700 on mods. The car came with the Autowerke DP when I bought it so didn’t have to buy that. I got the JB4 for $300 with Bluetooth and I got the Injen intake and charge pipe on Black Friday from PowerHouse Performance for $326. I did buy 2 tires and put rims on but those didn’t help performance.

Point being there are a lot of stuff out there if you search around you can find some good deals. So when people are like whey didn’t you go custom tune, because custom tune is $2000 with everything that has to be done. My JB4 cost $300. Even if I got someone to tune it custom on JB4 still less than half the cost of a custom tune and I can make it stock in a few minutes.

TO my knowledge there are no handheld flash tuners for the Supra is that a correct statement? Everything has to be done by the person tuning it?
 

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Also wanted to Add. I’ve only spent $700 on mods. The car came with the Autowerke DP when I bought it so didn’t have to buy that. I got the JB4 for $300 with Bluetooth and I got the Injen intake and charge pipe on Black Friday from PowerHouse Performance for $326. I did buy 2 tires and put rims on but those didn’t help performance.

Point being there are a lot of stuff out there if you search around you can find some good deals. So when people are like whey didn’t you go custom tune, because custom tune is $2000 with everything that has to be done. My JB4 cost $300. Even if I got someone to tune it custom on JB4 still less than half the cost of a custom tune and I can make it stock in a few minutes.

TO my knowledge there are no handheld flash tuners for the Supra is that a correct statement? Everything has to be done by the person tuning it?
Bm3 or MHD you buy an obd2 dongle and you can flash from your phone or laptop.

Not sure why you are messing with a jb4 when you have an easy to flash 2020 :)
 
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I’m assuming it’s the injen evolution, if so, it gets air in 100% exactly the same way as the oem intake, fed through the oem feed from the front of the car, so it will make zero difference in IAT.

Also, the proper way of measuring intake temp changes from the intake is logging the temp sensor before the mani-cooler, not after.

I’m using the open Injen intake with the heat shield. As for what the IAT‘s we are both simply measuring using our JB4’s. He was seeing 170’s on a stock box I was seeing max 140’s both of us using the same measure tool With 2 different air boxes. I don’t want to start a pissing contest about if a CAI is a CAI or if any of them are any good or anything like that.

All I can say is using the same measuring device. 1 Stock 1 Injen my temps were 30 degrees cooler And cooled down faster. Driving home driving around I consistently see my JB4 tell me mid 80’s IAT’s. In this instance on this car seems to work a little better than stock air box.
 

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I’m using the open Injen intake with the heat shield. As for what the IAT‘s we are both simply measuring using our JB4’s. He was seeing 170’s on a stock box I was seeing max 140’s both of us using the same measure tool With 2 different air boxes. I don’t want to start a pissing contest about if a CAI is a CAI or if any of them are any good or anything like that.

All I can say is using the same measuring device. 1 Stock 1 Injen my temps were 30 degrees cooler And cooled down faster. Driving home driving around I consistently see my JB4 tell me mid 80’s IAT’s. In this instance on this car seems to work a little better than stock air box.
You mentioned he is on e85 so I am assuming running a bit more boost.

Open injen is even worse. What I am saying is that you need to be more scientific about measuring if you want to make these kind of comparisons. Well, at least if you want them to be real claims.
 
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Bm3 or MHD you buy an obd2 dongle and you can flash from your phone or laptop.

Not sure why you are messing with a jb4 when you have an easy to flash 2020 :)

I’ve only had the car 2 weeks so still doing all the research. I’ve heard of BM3 but I haven‘t seen as much data on it as I do ECUTEK or JB4 to be fair.

I paid $300 for the JB4 on like day 3 of having the car. The Dealer I bought it from they have 7 people on their team that drive Supra’s.

To be fair as well the TRC car with just a custom ECU tune only went 12.12 after that the mods change but on there tune and catless downpipe they went 12.78 and with Meth and drag radials 12.58 so my JB4 Map 3 is right there with a custom ECU tune. Hard to justify $2k after unlocking and all that jazz to end up at basically the same performance.

JB4 does work. Does it work as good or is it as cool or give you as much to fiddle with as custom tune, no it doesn’t. Did it drop a full second off my ET and give me a 3.3 0-60 with basically 2 performance mods. Hell yes. it’s not slouch And I’ve learned in all my years of racing and building cars there is ALWAYS someone faster, there is ALWAYS the factory freak car that smokes everyone else with nothing done. That’s ok. My car runs pretty damn good and getting to see real world comparisons against other Supra’s in the same time and place and conditions and to beat them was pretty damn good and JB4 did well.

I would be interested in BM3 since you can flash it I like the idea of a bit more control of timing and fueling so I’ll go do my homework on that and see. At $575 doesn’t seem bad but I gotta pay $500 to get the ECU unlocked so now it’s $1100 and lets be fair am I gonna get that much more over what I have now? Hard to say…
 
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You mentioned he is on e85 so I am assuming running a bit more boost.

Open injen is even worse. What I am saying is that you need to be more scientific about measuring if you want to make these kind of comparisons. Well, at least if you want them to be real claims.

I’m not claiming anything I’m simply posting facts. His IAT’s were higher than my IAT’s in the same place at the same time using 2 different intakes. These are just facts. We were both running about 20psi of boost. he was on Map 2 and tried map 3 once. Map 2 is +4psi and the 21’s run high boost 14 or more. I was running Map 3 and seeing almost 20 psi.

So same conditions
same approximate boost levels
same track
same night
same measuring stick
one stock intake 170+ IAT
One injen intake 140 IAT

That and a $1 will get you nothing…

What people do with that bit of info is entirely up to them. I’m not advocating to get a filter./intake we’ve all seen enough vids to show they are worthless for the most part.

I got mine cuz it looked cool and I like the red and it was $326 for both charge pipe and filter When it’s normally over $700 so thank you Black Friday.

If it gave me a little benefit made the $326 even more worth it. If it didn’t that is cool too because I like the way it looks and sounds. Should anyone rush out to buy one, thats’ on them don’t take my advice on that topic… or do it’s’ up to you…
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