2023 Toyota GR Supra Manual Review Thread!!!

[MaximumAttack]

You guys are helping me “try” to convince my wife not to get a M2 with manual. I’m asking her to consider the dual clutch instead.

Suggestions? Would y’all order a new BMW M2 with manual or auto after what you know now? The price is actually the same. Thanks ?

The new M2 has the same 8HP auto the Supra has. The DCT is now discontinued. The last gen M2 is the last car that got the DCT.

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[FLtrackdays]

The new M2 has the same 8HP auto the Supra has. The DCT is now discontinued. The last gen M2 is the last car that got the DCT.

That’s great news. This ZF is so smooth. I just wish the new BMW M2 was lighter… and with her mainly driving in town, not tracking the car, the 6 speed would a fun way to go. It’s ultimately her decision and preference.

 

[MaximumAttack]

That’s great news. This ZF is so smooth. I just wish the new BMW M2 was lighter… and with her mainly driving in town, not tracking the car, the 6 speed would a fun way to go. It’s ultimately her decision and preference.

I think I'd prefer the DCT over the 8HP. It's a little more aggressive and a little faster shifting. I think they discontinued it, not because it is worse than the 8HP, but because the 8HP is "good enough" and allows for the xDrive AWD system, whereas the DCT would have had to have been redesigned ($$$) to make that possible.

From what I heard, the manual in the new M2 is not as good as the one in the Supra. It works fine, but it's more vague/rubbery feeling (typical of a lot of modern BMWs). From what I've heard, the M2 feels better with the 8HP.

And I definitely agree with you about the M2 getting so big and heavy. It's literally heavier than the brand new Mustang that's about to come out! It ballooned in size and weight big time.

 

[F1 Silver Arrows]

I think I'd prefer the DCT over the 8HP. It's a little more aggressive and a little faster shifting. I think they discontinued it, not because it is worse than the 8HP, but because the 8HP is "good enough" and allows for the xDrive AWD system, whereas the DCT would have had to have been redesigned ($$$) to make that possible.

From what I heard, the manual in the new M2 is not as good as the one in the Supra. It works fine, but it's more vague/rubbery feeling (typical of a lot of modern BMWs). From what I've heard, the M2 feels better with the 8HP.

And I definitely agree with you about the M2 getting so big and heavy. It's literally heavier than the brand new Mustang that's about to come out! It ballooned in size and weight big time.

DCT was apparently janky around town. Hence 8HP was the preferred choice.

 

[nashcarr]

We need a Hakone Green GR Supra with the Cognac interior.

That would be to die for.

Agreed I had the Hakone 86. Still have the plate! I'll be transferring it over to my 3.0 Premium MT as soon as it arrives!

 

[visbits]

DCT was apparently janky around town. Hence 8HP was the preferred choice.

They came in 2 flavors of tuning. The VW DSG would "creep" very aggressively when you lifted off the brake and occasionally had abrupt downshifts slowing down. The BMW DCT would require throttle input and it would "feather" (slip) the clutch to take off then would lockup and stay locked unless changing gears.

I wouldn't call it janky but it was absolutely not a torque converter level of smooth.

 

[Spart]

They came in 2 flavors of tuning. The VW DSG would "creep" very aggressively when you lifted off the brake and occasionally had abrupt downshifts slowing down. The BMW DCT would require throttle input and it would "feather" (slip) the clutch to take off then would lockup and stay locked unless changing gears.

I wouldn't call it janky but it was absolutely not a torque converter level of smooth.

VW DSG is very weird. I dislike all autos, but I really don't like how that one acts at low speeds. The braking is weird too, as soon as you touch the brake I think it opens the clutch, so you lurch to a stop.

 

[FuzzyRev]

VW DSG is very weird. I dislike all autos, but I really don't like how that one acts at low speeds. The braking is weird too, as soon as you touch the brake I think it opens the clutch, so you lurch to a stop.

Yeah, the one I test drove was lots of fun in the Taco Bell drive-thru

 

[visbits]

Yeah, the one I test drove was lots of fun in the Taco Bell drive-thru

I'm sure they're all different... the DSG requires very strick service intervals and the fluid "deteriorates" aggressively so depending how that car was maintained may have made your experience sub-optimal.

I had a 2015 GTI from 0 to 60k and did the service at 30 and 60 and it always drove like new.. no complaints.. was always smooth.

Also had a 2015 M4 with DCT and it behaved the same way... "generally" smooth.

 

[Spart]

I'm sure they're all different... the DSG requires very strick service intervals and the fluid "deteriorates" aggressively so depending how that car was maintained may have made your experience sub-optimal.

I had a 2015 GTI from 0 to 60k and did the service at 30 and 60 and it always drove like new.. no complaints.. was always smooth.

Also had a 2015 M4 with DCT and it behaved the same way... "generally" smooth.

I think what we're talking about is a matter of strategy/programming, not maintenance. Once you're moving the shifts between gears are imperceptible.

If you're at a dead stop and you take your foot off the brake, there will be a slight pause, then it will use the clutch and apply some throttle to push the car forward. I believe this behavior is meant to replicate the effect of a torque converter in an automatic, but it doesn't really nail it and honestly it's disconcerting. It makes moving the car in small precise amounts (like if you're backing into a space, or pulling into a garage) more unnerving than it should be.

 

[gymratter]

 

[C-Pike]

Did he mirror tint his car? ?

 

[CarGuy11]

 

[FLtrackdays]

Great video, very thorough, thoughtful honest opinion. And couldn’t agree more! Keep up the good work ?

 

[BMWAF]

Great video, very thorough, thoughtful honest opinion. And couldn’t agree more! Keep up the good work ?

Sorry but the reasons given in this video are just plain idiotic. Now that a manual is available, anyone in 2023 buying a Supra in an automatic should reconsider their life choices. Unless you want unbridled straight line speed (I'm sure there are cheaper options) or some esoteric track duty (meh), this car should always be purchased in manual form.

And justifying a sports car purchase because it has adaptive cruise control.. that's lobotomy territory.

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