Dang near killed myself!

[Last Lemming]

So I usually drive around with all the nannies on. When I take long sweeping turns every now and and gently accelerate into the turn I can see the track to control kicking on. I know this means the rear end is slipping out, but this happens on rare occasions, and the nanny always catches it.

Today I turned off the traction control off with one click. I was was going around the corner like usual, but this time when it slipped it damn near spin me around and got all out of control! Luckily, it finally caught itself and I straightened out, but scared the hell out of me.

I have a 2020, what is the best solution for reducing the tail happiness of this car without major suspension modifications?

currently, I’m on H&R lowering springs (Z4)with 265 front and 295 back tires

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[SupraNews]

Learn what rpm and speeds you hook up at. Gas it only when you know you hook up and let your tires get warm too

 

[ColonelAdama]

I have a 2020, what is the best solution for reducing the tail happiness of this car without major suspension modifications?

with all due respect, its a driver mod. You just need to spend more time learning those limits in a safer place like the track.

 

[lucky phil]

So I usually drive around with all the nannies on. When I take long sweeping turns every now and and gently accelerate into the turn I can see the track to control kicking on. I know this means the rear end is slipping out, but this happens on rare occasions, and the nanny always catches it.

Today I turned off the traction control off with one click. I was was going around the corner like usual, but this time when it slipped it damn near spin me around and got all out of control! Luckily, it finally caught itself and I straightened out, but scared the hell out of me.

I have a 2020, what is the best solution for reducing the tail happiness of this car without major suspension modifications?

currently, I’m on H&R lowering springs (Z4)with 265 front and 295 back tires

Less lead in the right boot.

Phil

 

[freeform911]

Time for some HPDE!

Steve

 

[Last Lemming]

Oh good lord! I’ve been driving high performance cars for 30 years, you can drop the “driver mod”nonsense. Everybody knows this car is tail happy and has the potential of bump steer. The car was maybe at 7/10th with a smooth throttle and no jerkiness, no other car I’ve ever had has exhibited this tendency.

Edit: wait not entirely true, my ‘86 911 went tail happy under braking in the rain- but engine in the rear and all that.

 

[suicidaleggroll]

I found this car to be very unstable over uneven surfaces when cornering when stock. An alignment helps, but the only thing that fixed it for me was replacing the rear control arms. I did all of them so I can’t be sure which fixed it, but I’m told it’s primarily the traction arms and toe arms that are responsible. Luckily those are the easiest to swap out.

 

[Stinger2supra]

It doesn’t matter if you have been driving “high performance” cars for 30 years. (Unless your a professional driver who does it for a living)
Every car has a unique characteristic to it. If you really have been driving a bunch of higher horsepower cars for 30 years you would know this. Driver mod is correct. Doesn’t mean you are a bad driver. It means you need to learn the car.
Btw if you have been driving high performance NA cars it’s a big difference from driving a turbocharged car.

You want to really shit your pants. Drive my turboed s2000. Car took me a long time to understand how to control it.

As others said; a HPDE event would help you a lot.

 

[PikkaGTR]

The A90 is kind of predictable at the limit
A pre LCI non comp F80 on stock 275 PSS and bootmod3 stg2
Now that thing was a handful ?
Mountain of tq immediately available.

Also yes to driver mod

 

[lucky phil]

Mustangs are the same, terrible rear suspension.



Phil

 

[razorlab]

I have a 2020, what is the best solution for reducing the tail happiness of this car without major suspension modifications?

Easiest/cheapest/fastest way is a good alignment with more toe-in in the rear.

That makes a big difference.

Next is suspension arms.

I was going to come down on you for saying you are a professional street driver but others already have.

 

[romanLegion9574]

Traction control usually works by measuring rates of wheelspin between corners as well as compared to road speed while stability control usually works by measuring steering angle vs sensors to determine movement direction (on a high level). Both are designed to keep you going where you want to go, but use different measurements to do so.

Our cars are designed so the TC will kick in a lot faster than the stability control.

Best place to learn where the limits is on the track. TC kind of limits the car to 7 or 8/10s, whereas stability control lets you get closer to the limits.

 

[Dannyvandelft]

It IS your right foot. By your responses I can tell you think you're all that, and the car is showing you, that you aren't. If you drive normal, the car will behave normal. If you stomp on the throttle instead of roll on, which you should've learned with 30 years of "experience", then the tail will come around because max torque is at 1600 RPM. Not in the upper rev band. Leave the nannies on, and do some more HPDE's.

 

[RenRed2]

It IS your right foot. By your responses I can tell you think you're all that, and the car is showing you, that you aren't. If you drive normal, the car will behave normal. If you stomp on the throttle instead of roll on, which you should've learned with 30 years of "experience", then the tail will come around because max torque is at 1600 RPM. Not in the upper rev band. Leave the nannies on, and do some more HPDE's.

The only worthwhile mod and gives the best results = Driver Training Mod

But Yo I need a suspension, tires a tune and a new vape brand...........

 

[GRMan]

So I usually drive around with all the nannies on. When I take long sweeping turns every now and and gently accelerate into the turn I can see the track to control kicking on. I know this means the rear end is slipping out, but this happens on rare occasions, and the nanny always catches it.

Today I turned off the traction control off with one click. I was was going around the corner like usual, but this time when it slipped it damn near spin me around and got all out of control! Luckily, it finally caught itself and I straightened out, but scared the hell out of me.

I have a 2020, what is the best solution for reducing the tail happiness of this car without major suspension modifications?

currently, I’m on H&R lowering springs (Z4)with 265 front and 295 back tires

What tyres are you on?

i suspect the tyres have not been fully warmed up and together with the aftermarket springs will make the car quite snappy. If you have power mods then I am not surprised. This handling behaviour happened to every single turbo RWD I have owned that had suspension and power mods.

The other thing is I will not throttle on upon corner entry on the street while spirited driving. I will only throttle on after apex when the steering wheel is straightened or about to be straightened.

i too have many years of modded turbo RWD experience, especially back in the days where there were no nannies.

if you throttle upon corner entry there will always be a ttime that this happens especially with aftermarket suspension. Could be cold tyres or slippery surfaces

On the track you can take much more risk but generally I trailbrake and only throttle at or after apex

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