👣 Official: Toyota Announces Manual Transmission Supra!

[Pheonix]

I mean if they do source a manual, wouldn't it be the same 6 speed manual BMW uses in their cars? Who makes that transmission? Also they already have a prototype manual running.

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[MA617M]

ZF

 

[A70TTR]

Ultima Race Works on FB:

As many know the 2020 Toyota A90 MKV Supra was unveiled last weekend at the Detroit Auto Show. Many were disappointed to find out that it is only to be offered in an automatic transmission platform. Since then we have taken it upon ourselves to pre-order one of the 1,500 available launch edition Supras to use for testing and development. Over the past week we have begun to engineer a complete, high quality, OEM like manual transmission swap kit. This will be available for purchase and installation mid summer 2019.
Stay tuned for more information and parts to be released such as exhaust systems, intakes, ducting, aero, and coming winter 2019 a complete 2JZ-GTE swap kit for the new A90 Supra .
#UltimaRaceWorks
#A90 #Supra #toyotausa #toyota #mkvsupra #a80 #BMW #B58 #2jz #2020supra #detroitautoshow

well, this sort of thing decreases the chances of a factory manual, but maybe this was the plan all along...

 

[MA617M]

Hah, looks like I better get my arse into gear then, as that's my business model.

#MA90

 

[A70TTR]

Well it's no JZA90 that's for sure, so get on it!

 

[KahnBB6]

"Over the past week we have begun to engineer a complete, high quality, OEM like manual transmission swap kit. This will be available for purchase and installation mid summer 2019."

This is great but I do hope it doesn't diminish chances of both a factory manual Supra GR and GRMN.

The first reason being... it would be OEM. But also a manual swap if no factory manual was ever made available is very difficult if someone lives in a heavily emissions controlled county/state. Even if all the hardware is there a modern car set up with an automatic only ECU is going to throw CELs and not run at full optimum if none of the shift solenoids or other electronics from the ZF 8HP auto are missing. A smog station computer will show only "Supra, Auto" rather than "Supra, Auto OR Supra, M/T" making an owner's aftermarket manual swap a possible smog test fail in the strictest emission controlled areas.

An aftermarket fully programmable ECU with custom parameters and custom fuel maps can address this, sure, but there will probably still be some issues passing smog even with one of those.

The newer the automatic-only car is the harder manual swapping becomes in the smog legal sense. It's just far easier if the manufacturer sells a manual variant themselves that is already certified to pass all the regulations from the factory.

I know that many people probably don't have to worry about this but California and probably also New York buyers would have an uphill battle with smog testing just from having swapped a proper manual transmission into their auto-only-stock MKV's.

Toyota releasing their own factory manual Supra GR and GRMN removes this critical issue entirely. Then, even if someone were to convert an automatic MKV to manual all the factory parts would exist as would the necessary ECU(s) that would recreate a factory engine & transmission configuration.

All the mechanical parts to convert to manual will be no issue at all but if there is no factory engine computer that ever was programmed for a manual gearbox with all the needed shift logic randomization that was Federally tested for emissions... that's still a no-go for a lot of potential CA, NYC and other owners who might want to drive their new $50k+ Supras with 6-speed M/T gearboxes around like any other normal new car in strict emissions areas.

 

[McWicked]

...well, this sort of thing decreases the chances of a factory manual, but maybe this was the plan all along...

Maybe so, maybe not...
Relatively small and ambitious companies, that are not constrained by upper-management, arbitrary budgets or needless bureaucracy, can achieve great things. Unfortunately these same ambitious minds have a tendency to "over promise, and under deliver".

 

[A70TTR]

Yeah, it's too early to say for just this one, but if this is a trend and/or if big companies start offering swap packages, especially ones that are CARB legal etc, then it may change things.

I have a feeling Toyota has had a solution the entire time and will perhaps be available as a Gazoo Racing performance upgrade, but then again maybe not.

 

[Bryster]

Ultima Race Works on FB:


well, this sort of thing decreases the chances of a factory manual, but maybe this was the plan all along...

They probably know about it, regardless

 

[A70TTR]

It's possible. A lot of aftermarket companies get cars directly from the manufacturer in order to develop parts if it's going to be a product that hinges on aftermarket support.

 

[McWicked]

It's possible. A lot of aftermarket companies get cars directly from the manufacturer in order to develop parts if it's going to be a product that hinges on aftermarket support.

This is true.
Some of the larger aftermarket companies are also OEM suppliers, and often get pre-production parts to jumpstart aftermarket development.

 

[Guff]

I'm quite skeptical of that Summer '19 timeline by Ultima, as they would have to make significant headway on decoding the entire CAN system in order to spoof the transmission control. And they probably aren't getting their car till June at the earliest anyways.

That being said Ultima does have a legit R&D team, so who knows. Either way I'm happy they're on board.

 

[Bryster]

I'm quite skeptical of that Summer '19 timeline by Ultima, as they would have to make significant headway on decoding the entire CAN system in order to spoof the transmission control. And they probably aren't getting their car till June at the earliest anyways.

That being said Ultima does have a legit R&D team, so who knows. Either way I'm happy they're on board.

I mean,test drives begin this summer

 

[Nurburgring]

Hah, looks like I better get my arse into gear then, as that's my business model.
#MA90

Serious question for the resident transmission expert: You mentioned your company was interested in the development of a true sequential transmission for the A90 platform. What advantages do you see in this, compared to a double clutch transmission swap from a M3/M4 that could (in my ignorant view) be in the same ballpark as far as performance & costs while retaining "streetability"? I`m guessing custom ratios and stupid hp capabilities?

 

[kona61]

Serious question for the resident transmission expert: You mentioned your company was interested in the development of a true sequential transmission for the A90 platform. What advantages do you see in this, compared to a double clutch transmission swap from a M3/M4 that could (in my ignorant view) be in the same ballpark as far as performance & costs while retaining "streetability"? I`m guessing custom ratios and stupid hp capabilities?

I don’t think you could swap in a DCT. That is part that is too dependent on the motor, and I’m sure it is nearly impossible to get it to work with a totally different motor.

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