"Thank you" to Akio Toyoda, Tetsuya Tada et al...

[Australian of The North]

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[kona61]

The 70 series Land Cruiser is very different. They still make the 70 series, but in other places. That means all the parts and tooling necessary were still brand new and up to date.

 

[SupraFiend]

Remaking the A80 is redundant right now. Maybe in 10 years it would make sense. But right now, the car is now old enough to import JDM examples into the US, which means most of the rest of the world has been doing just that for the last 10 years. There's like 5 mk4 Turbos for sale on Craigstlist in Vancouver today, 2 of them LHD even. The TTs are hovering around 40k Cdn, the NA RHDs are around 18k. Personally, I'd just buy one of those and drop a GTE in. The 6 spd is the real problem if you want to fully replicate the original car, but t56 swaps are fully figured out at this point so there are more affordable ways to go. A suprising number of interior and wear parts are still available from the dealer too (Toyota actually continues to manufacturer some parts for old models if they continue to sell well enough after the model has finished). Anyways, my point is there is still adequate supply of mk4s now that the JDMs are on the table most every where. Prices have already leveled off, I suspect they will actually start to dip again for awhile this year due to the mk5. They will probably pickup again in a year or two, unless the mk5 becomes a big success, then they will likely drop a little over time.

 

[Red-hat]

Lol. Toyota was never going to reissue the A80 in lieu of the A90. There is no need to pick the A80 body over the new A90 body, which is stiffer, safer, faster, and suits modern taste. Apart from the tacky fake vents, the A90 looks fine, and will certainly out handle the A80 with room to spare.

No, the single biggest complaint (which I 100% agree with) is, and will remain, the non-Toyota engine and drivetrain. That BMW engine and BMW parts will be the achilles heel of the A90. Either it will be less reliable and more expensive to maintain, than a comparable Toyota/Lexus V6 turbo, or even if a miracle happens and somehow Toyota’s pixie dust makes the B58 as reliable as a regular Toyota, people will still complain and rag on it for being an imposter, a Z4, not a real Toyota. And they won’t be wrong. That doesn’t make it a bad car, objectively, it just means the car has an unprotectable achilles heel as long as it uses BMW engines.

For me, the engine is the let down. Less power than the Z4 is disappointing, but is probably recoverable with a tune. But I agree with those who point out that Toyota’s survey, that said fans demanded a straight 6 at any cost, didn’t ask those same respondents what they would choose betwen a 100% Toyota designed and built V6 turbo, vs a BMW I6 turbo. Many of those who wanted an I6 assumed it would be a Toyota one. I too would pick a Toyota I6 over a Toyota V6. But I would also pick a Toyota V6 over any BMW engine! That is the part that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I am sure I am not alone. This issue is not going away.

So yes, I say thanks to Toyoda and Tada, without whom there would be no new Supra, or even the 86, as the notoriously conservative Toyota leadership would happily never build another sportscar ever again. But the A90 isn’t perfect, and sadly, for me, I suspect it will be a) much too expensive in Australia (there is talk it might reach AU$100k+, which is M2 Competition or Cayman money), and b) the lack of a Toyota designed and built engine, electronics, and drivetrain, makes me too nervous about long term ownership prospects.

 

[Bryster]

GUYS
https://amp-timeinc-net.cdn.ampproj...errer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s

 

[Kaizen]

Any Inline 6 > any V6. Inline engines and flat 6s sound phenomenal and the power is linear as you progress thru the rev range. Inlines are intrinsically balanced and superior, compared to a V6 (packaging aside). Best application for a pure sports car for power and feel. Thank you for sticking with an inline 6. Don't really care where it came from, just glad it's in the Supra. I'll happily pay for whatever breaks on it. Part of the fun, ups and downs.

 

[kona61]

Any Inline 6 > any V6. Inline engines and flat 6s sound phenomenal and the power is linear as you progress thru the rev range. Inlines are intrinsically balanced and superior, compared to a V6 (packaging aside). Best application for a pure sports car for power and feel. Thank you for sticking with an inline 6. Don't really care where it came from, just glad it's in the Supra. I'll happily pay for whatever breaks on it. Part of the fun, ups and downs.

I disagree. The Alfa V6 sounds pretty awesome, so does the VR38. I would happily have a VR38 equivalent instead of the B58.

 

[Bryster]

Any Inline 6 > any V6. Inline engines and flat 6s sound phenomenal and the power is linear as you progress thru the rev range. Inlines are intrinsically balanced and superior, compared to a V6 (packaging aside). Best application for a pure sports car for power and feel. Thank you for sticking with an inline 6. Don't really care where it came from, just glad it's in the Supra. I'll happily pay for whatever breaks on it. Part of the fun, ups and downs.

It's too bad there's no Inline 10s

 

[SupraFiend]

Serious? Packaging man, i6s are pushing it as is...

Love me I6s, but don't trust BMW power trains. I would have much preferred the new LS's turbo v6.

 

[Bryster]

Serious? Packaging man, i6s are pushing it as is...

It's never been done, but it would be two RS3 engines together basically

 

[Kaizen]

I disagree. The Alfa V6 sounds pretty awesome, so does the VR38. I would happily have a VR38 equivalent instead of the B58.

VR and VQ are best sounding V6s IMO. Alpha's V6 is okay, too messy sounding and garbled. There's no smoothness to a V6 sound (besides Nissan's V6s).

 

[SupraFiend]

Hey you know what sounds like shit? A BMW inline 6 puking its Vanos system out at 60mph on the freeway.

Bryster...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-10_engine

Sure it's been done, bit that's stone age shit man. Get yourself a Dusenburg or some other 1920s roadster if you want something that insanely long and heavy.

 

[AsupramkvC]

manual

It’s coming soon....and I’m excited!

 

[AsupramkvC]

lmfao you're joking right? Maybe you weren't around but we were doing the exact same stuff we're doing here during the 86 release and the hate was on pretty much the exact same level. The AE86 guys were furious and most of the world was shitting on Toyota for partnering with "an unreliable manufacturer like Subaru" and ruining the 86 name, plus the boxer engine was an absolute travesty for most people for some reason.

Then people actually drove the car, it was good, and everyone quieted down, until they managed to find the one thing they could keep complaining about (power) and they've kept that torch burning bright ever since. The Supra will be more of the same. I've been around enough of these car launches (and on the forums of the world) to see when history repeats itself lol.

The internet people would complain this way:
-It’s a BMW
-It’s a Z4 coupé
-It’s not made in Japan
-It will not be as reliable as a proper Toyota
-It doesn’t look like the FT-1 Concept
-It has lots of fake vents
-It has no +2 rear seats
-It’s just badge engineering
-Interior is very BMW

...and so on...

 

[Bryster]

Hey you know what sounds like shit? A BMW inline 6 puking its Vanos system out at 60mph on the freeway.

Bryster...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-10_engine

Sure it's been done, bit that's stone age shit man. Get yourself a Dusenburg or some other 1920s roadster if you want something that insanely long and heavy.

I hear M4s all the time, and i have to agree

I can see why it got phased out

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