Can't measure oil - have updated oil pump (WAA03)

[BMWAF]

How would that work?

They find out you modified it and then ask you to pay back the loan immediately and if you can't/wont they attempt to repossess the car?

Maybe like insurance; breach of contract? While I highly doubt it, they could technically repossess the car I guess. ?‍

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[jonnylaris]

How would that work?

They find out you modified it and then ask you to pay back the loan immediately and if you can't/wont they attempt to repossess the car?

Yes exactly, there have already been examples of this happening in the UK. Ricky from Living Life Fast had his G82 M4 finance cancelled and was sent a bill for £80,000 due to BMW finding out about him modifying the car due to videos he put on his youtube.

 

[jchadwell]

You guys financing on the other side of the pond better make damn sure you use the approved 0W20 GR Supra oil.

 

[jonnylaris]

You guys financing on the other side of the pond better make damn sure you use the approved 0W20 GR Supra oil.

Haha that's the first thing I'm changing.

What's the best oil to use?

 

[MisterSkiz]

Yes exactly, there have already been examples of this happening in the UK. Ricky from Living Life Fast had his G82 M4 finance cancelled and was sent a bill for £80,000 due to BMW finding out about him modifying the car due to videos he put on his youtube.

Very interesting. I wonder if you finance outside of Toyota/BMW if they would still have the same stipulation. Maybe Toyota/BMW has this in their financing clause too in the USA but it is never enforced.

 

[itzTang]

Haha that's the first thing I'm changing.

What's the best oil to use?

We don’t ask that here.

 

[Beamerboy]

Hi,

I have a EU spec 2020 a90 Supra with a build date of 2019 and noticed recently that I can't measure my oil. It gets to 18% and then jumps back to the previous screen where it says Oil level OK but no bar on the right.

I've tried everything from waiting 30 mins, flat surface, letting it cool down etc but keeps stopping at 18-20%.

I know everyone here is going to tell me I need an updated Oil pump but here's the kicker - My car already has the metal WAA03 pump which was confirmed by Toyota today using my VIN number.

It seems that others in the EU with 2020 cars also have the 03 updated metal pump too.

The Toyota tech did say however that my oil level sensor was listed as 89491-waa01 which has since been revised twice to 89491-waa03.

Wondering if it could just be a faulty oil level sensor?

I've checked my oil pressure at idle and WOT (2.5~ bar at idle and 5.5~ bar at WOT) and it's all fine, along with oil temps and car drives totally fine and isn't burning oil (1 quart per 3k miles hard driving).

I'm Stage 2 MHD 91 map with exhaust, dp and intake.

Yeah it’s going to show the updated part number because that’s the only one you can order now. Being a 2020 you most definitely have the outdated oil pump

 

[jonnylaris]

Yeah it’s going to show the updated part number because that’s the only one you can order now. Being a 2020 you most definitely have the outdated oil pump

That's strange though because they show the older oil level sensors in the database...

 

[lucky phil]

Yes exactly, there have already been examples of this happening in the UK. Ricky from Living Life Fast had his G82 M4 finance cancelled and was sent a bill for £80,000 due to BMW finding out about him modifying the car due to videos he put on his youtube.

Thats hardly a typical example. It's like recording yourself driving at twice the speed limit and posting it on your Youtube channel and being surprised that you get a knock on the door by constable blogs.
You mod the car and not only wave goodbye to the warranty but also maybe the finance? Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. What happens if there's a mandatory safety recall and you have no choice but to take it to the dealer for something like an airbag replacement in the near future. Worry the dealer will dob you in to Toyota finance. In your circumstances I'd de-mod the car until the finance period is over or use another finance mechanism.

 

[jonnylaris]

Thats hardly a typical example. It's like recording yourself driving at twice the speed limit and posting it on your Youtube channel and being surprised that you get a knock on the door by constable blogs.
You mod the car and not only wave goodbye to the warranty but also maybe the finance? Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. What happens if there's a mandatory safety recall and you have no choice but to take it to the dealer for something like an airbag replacement in the near future. In your circumstances I'd de-mod the car until the finance period is over or use another finance mechanism.

Good point but I can't de-mod the car they will know the ECU has been flashed.

 

[AngryCar]

They don't do that in the US?

Pretty sure most car companies can terminate your finance agreement if they find out you have modified the car when it doesn't yet belong to you officially until the term is fully paid.

I have the same issue in a 2020, built 9/19, 34,000 miles, 2 months left on power train warranty, going in the dealer next Tuesday.

In the US I have never heard of anyone getting a loan thru a bank or manufacturer canceled because of aftermarket mods. In the US if you have a loan the financing company puts a lien on your car, giving them a legal claim on the car if you don't live up to the agreement. Typically all they require is full coverage insurance and you pay your monthly payment on time.

Here is what AI said about the UK and the US....

Toyota Finance in the UK has specific terms and conditions regarding vehicle modifications, which can vary depending on the type of finance agreement you have. Generally, if you modify your car in a way that affects its value or safety, it could breach the terms of your agreement, potentially leading to cancellation or other consequences.

Toyota Financial Services in the U.S. generally expects financed vehicles to remain in their original condition, as modifications could impact the car's value and safety. There isn't a clear policy stating that financing will be canceled due to modifications.

 

[razorlab]

Since when is a breach of contract communism? People throwing around these words to fit their own fantastical narratives need to read more books.

 

[razorlab]

Looks like you need to read a book on spelling, apostrophes, and history as well. Technically, Russia was not communist after the fall of the Soviet Union and has been a democratic country since.

I don't know the actual details of the contracts they have but usually...

- Replacing tires with OEM spec would not be a breach of contract.
- Changing oil with the correct specifications would not be a breach of contract.
- Wrecking a car before it's paid off is what insurance is for. You would not go to a prison.

You are obviously misusing the term communism to fit your fantastical narrative.

 

[razorlab]

*You're. I do not own New York, nor is it a part of me.

If me living in New York starts your blood boiling, this next fact will probably blow your top off. I lived in California for 35 years before I moved to New York.

I believe you would call it Commifornia.

 

[Faye]

Yeah it’s going to show the updated part number because that’s the only one you can order now. Being a 2020 you most definitely have the outdated oil pump

I would agree with that assumption.
I just went through every recorded TAS case in the country to see when people are having these jobs done through dealerships, and the newest build date I have found is 11/2020. I did not see a single 2022 MY car.
Please, PLEASE message me or respond to this post if you have a later one than this, but from my research this MAY be the cutoff for when these pumps were used on our cars. (for Toyotas, not BMWs, which seem to have the updated part over a year earlier) My car is a 2021, build date 07/2020, but the manufacture date of my pump was 03/2019.
I did see several tuned cars that had their pumps replaced by the dealership -- all were customer pay. One of my personal favorite technician notes was, "Customer believes the issue is the oil pump based on Supra forum posts" ? phenomenal!!

I think I may make a separate thread on this eventually to stop hijacking other people's posts, get more eyes on the issue, and collect more data, but that's my current conclusion as of now!

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