Updated oil pump?

[Faye]

Ah, thank you so much for the detailed explanation.

Ok, so kinda fair to say that if, as long as my weekly "measure engine oil level" still completes the process up to 100%, I'm still safe?

That's a decent assumption, though I'm not 100% sure. While that has been the case in my experience, I searched again and found 2 TAS cases where the pump was bad and threw oil pressure codes, but there was no mention of the oil level measurement in the repair notes. That may have been because the customer was so concerned with the oil pressure warning on their dash that they just shut off the car, towed it to the dealership right away, and never checked the oil measurement, or it could have been that this issue wasn't present. Since I wasn't there, I can't be positive either way!

I'd say..... if your build date is 11/2020 or older, just plan to do the pump. I personally couldn't stand the stress of knowing there's a ticking time bomb inside my engine ? I just had to swap it out. It's really not a bad job though. If you're mechanically inclined and have access to a lift, it could be done in a weekend. I made a pretty in depth DIY tutorial on my YouTube channel showing how I did the job: and listed out all the parts and tools needed.

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[3TMagnetMan]

That's a decent assumption, though I'm not 100% sure. While that has been the case in my experience, I searched again and found 2 TAS cases where the pump was bad and threw oil pressure codes, but there was no mention of the oil level measurement in the repair notes. That may have been because the customer was so concerned with the oil pressure warning on their dash that they just shut off the car, towed it to the dealership right away, and never checked the oil measurement, or it could have been that this issue wasn't present. Since I wasn't there, I can't be positive either way!

I'd say..... if your build date is 11/2020 or older, just plan to do the pump. I personally couldn't stand the stress of knowing there's a ticking time bomb inside my engine ? I just had to swap it out. It's really not a bad job though. If you're mechanically inclined and have access to a lift, it could be done in a weekend. I made a pretty in depth DIY tutorial on my YouTube channel showing how I did the job: and listed out all the parts and tools needed.

This was a very detailed educational video

 

[jchadwell]

This was a very detailed educational video

A recommendation to just plan on replacing the pump even if there are no concerns seems a bit much to me? I mean, what is the actual failure rate? We’ve had what, 2 or 3 cases show up here on the forums? People who have an issue post on forums, those who don’t are silent which tells me the issue is highly unlikely to manifest for the vast vast majority of us. This isn’t like swapping out an air filter.

If a few years down the road us 2020 and 2021 owners start having oil pumps dropping like flies I’m sure there will be legal actions initiated and I’ll start paying attention at that point. Until that happens I’m not going to lose any sleep over this.

 

[Faye]

A recommendation to just plan on replacing the pump even if there are no concerns seems a bit much to me? I mean, what is the actual failure rate? We’ve had what, 2 or 3 cases show up here on the forums? People who have an issue post on forums, those who don’t are silent which tells me the issue is highly unlikely to manifest for the vast vast majority of us. This isn’t like swapping out an air filter.

If a few years down the road us 2020 and 2021 owners start having oil pumps dropping like flies I’m sure there will be legal actions initiated and I’ll start paying attention at that point. Until that happens I’m not going to lose any sleep over this.

That's fine. You do whatever you think is best for you. My recommendation was not based on forum posts. I searched through dozens of recorded pump failures in TAS, which is Toyota dealership technical assistance. Not every repair makes it to TAS; that is reserved for technicians who need help with diagnosis, or who want to bring something to the attention of the technical assistance team. Not every failure or warranty claim makes it to the forums.

I enjoy taking my car to the track and driving to events that are often several states away. What if the plastic decides to crack in the middle of a road trip or a race day? That tow bill would be a lot more expensive than the pump replacement and could cause other damage as well. And, it would ruin a fun event or race weekend for me. I also am not going to sell my car, so every issue it has is going to be mine to deal with either now, or later.
That is why I made my choice, and that would be my recommendation to others.

 

[jchadwell]

That's fine. You do whatever you think is best for you. My recommendation was not based on forum posts. I searched through dozens of recorded pump failures in TAS, which is Toyota dealership technical assistance. Not every repair makes it to TAS; that is reserved for technicians who need help with diagnosis, or who want to bring something to the attention of the technical assistance team. Not every failure or warranty claim makes it to the forums.

I enjoy taking my car to the track and driving to events that are often several states away. What if the plastic decides to crack in the middle of a road trip or a race day? That tow bill would be a lot more expensive than the pump replacement and could cause other damage as well. And, it would ruin a fun event or race weekend for me. I also am not going to sell my car, so every issue it has is going to be mine to deal with either now, or later.
That is why I made my choice, and that would be my recommendation to others.

No worries here either. If that’s what you want to do then it makes sense for you so go for it. But you are still talking about dozens of cases which is a very small percentage. That’s all I’m saying is let’s not make this sound like every other car is going to have a pump fail.

 

[AngryCar]

My 2020, built 9/19 is at the dealer right now for this issue. My car only has 34K miles on it. I started another thread 1-2 weeks ago when my oil level check wouldn't complete. Stops at 16%. In my thread there were several people who also had the issue and many knew exactly what my issue was since they had seen it many times before. I think it's a bigger problem than people realize and affecting more people than we might know about. My dealer even called me today and said he read thru some forums and saw this was a common issue.

I only do the oil level check when I take it out of winter storage and when I put it away, twice a year. I'll bet many don't run the check at all so they may not even know they have an issue, they just let the dealer do the maintenance and don't worry about it. They also may just blow off the level check stopping at 16% as a software bug, like I did at first. Only when I posted here did I know it was an oil pump issue.

We're just waiting for the Toyota engineer to call back and for Toyota to approve the warranty work. I only have 2 months left in my power train warranty.

 

[_JuCa90]

That's a decent assumption, though I'm not 100% sure. While that has been the case in my experience, I searched again and found 2 TAS cases where the pump was bad and threw oil pressure codes, but there was no mention of the oil level measurement in the repair notes. That may have been because the customer was so concerned with the oil pressure warning on their dash that they just shut off the car, towed it to the dealership right away, and never checked the oil measurement, or it could have been that this issue wasn't present. Since I wasn't there, I can't be positive either way!

I'd say..... if your build date is 11/2020 or older, just plan to do the pump. I personally couldn't stand the stress of knowing there's a ticking time bomb inside my engine ? I just had to swap it out. It's really not a bad job though. If you're mechanically inclined and have access to a lift, it could be done in a weekend. I made a pretty in depth DIY tutorial on my YouTube channel showing how I did the job: and listed out all the parts and tools needed.

Watched this a few days ago

That's a decent assumption, though I'm not 100% sure. While that has been the case in my experience, I searched again and found 2 TAS cases where the pump was bad and threw oil pressure codes, but there was no mention of the oil level measurement in the repair notes. That may have been because the customer was so concerned with the oil pressure warning on their dash that they just shut off the car, towed it to the dealership right away, and never checked the oil measurement, or it could have been that this issue wasn't present. Since I wasn't there, I can't be positive either way!

I'd say..... if your build date is 11/2020 or older, just plan to do the pump. I personally couldn't stand the stress of knowing there's a ticking time bomb inside my engine ? I just had to swap it out. It's really not a bad job though. If you're mechanically inclined and have access to a lift, it could be done in a weekend. I made a pretty in depth DIY tutorial on my YouTube channel showing how I did the job: and listed out all the parts and tools needed.

Im actually subbed to you and watched this the other day. Actually doesnt look like a bad job at all. I have a 2020 and it does fail at 18% but after i let it chill for like 30min and run the test again it always completes . So idk what to think. I may change it out if im bored enough.

I do have a quick favor tho. Could you list all the 1 time use stuff with part #s so in the future ill know what to order?

 

[lucky phil]

Watched this a few days ago

Im actually subbed to you and watched this the other day. Actually doesnt look like a bad job at all. I have a 2020 and it does fail at 18% but after i let it chill for like 30min and run the test again it always completes . So idk what to think. I may change it out if im bored enough.

I do have a quick favor tho. Could you list all the 1 time use stuff with part #s so in the future ill know what to order?

She did in the video
Phil

 

[_JuCa90]

She did in the video
Phil

Ya i know she mentioned em in the vid but i meant like a list so i can save it in my notes on my phone hah

 

[lucky phil]

Ya i know she mentioned em in the vid but i meant like a list so i can save it in my notes on my phone hah

Maybe she should just visit you and do the job for nothing
Phil

 

[_JuCa90]

Maybe she should just visit you and do the job for nothing
Phil

nah~ id have pizza and beer at least ?

 

[lucky phil]

nah~ id have pizza and beer at least ?

That you'd consume while watching her do the job?

 

[_JuCa90]

That you'd consume while watching her do the job?

Oh i didnt say id have some for her.. ?
Alright since youre busting my balls ill have to watch the vid again and note all the part numbers

 

[lucky phil]

Oh i didnt say id have some for her.. ?
Alright since youre busting my balls ill have to watch the vid again and note all the part numbers

She lists them in the video text

 

[BA9092]

Forgive my ignorance, but, wouldn't it be in Toyota's favor to issue a TAS, TSB, recall or whatever to replace this plastic pump at a fraction of the cost and labor rather than waiting for it to fail and having to replace the entire engine when it goes at a might higher cost?

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