👣 Official: Toyota Announces Manual Transmission Supra!

[PerformanceSound]

They just need to release a manual but they may have missed the boat now. Too much inertia with the die-hards to hate on because it is not a spitting image of a 20 year old car and power plant. Those sales likely aren’t coming back easily.

I swear, if they released a manual version on launch, three quarters of the haters would have jumped aboard just because of the words Supra and manual. “But it’s a BMW” would barely be uttered because half of them would now own one.

I prefer an automatic because I daily mine, but if I didn’t, a manual would have some serious appeal.

I guess I’m still the only “fool” who believes a manual will be coming in the future...hehe.

Consider this though, Porsche at one point had no manual cars across the board....sales suffered....then the manual returned. Who knows, Toyota may just pull a fast one on us .

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[JasonO]

I guess I’m still the only “fool” who believes a manual will be coming in the future...hehe.

Consider this though, Porsche at one point had no manual cars across the board....sales suffered....then the manual returned. Who knows, Toyota may just pull a fast one on us .

Don’t get me wrong, I hope they release one. They now have to overcome all the inertia from not having one.

I understand Toyota is a business, some seem to overlook that fact. They have people who truly hate the car and lack of a manual was the one step too far after collaborating with the enemy.

 

[Jeff Lange]

I feel there are some better options than what they did, but props for getting it done.

Jeff

 

[KahnBB6]

I guess I’m still the only “fool” who believes a manual will be coming in the future...hehe.

Consider this though, Porsche at one point had no manual cars across the board....sales suffered....then the manual returned. Who knows, Toyota may just pull a fast one on us .

You're not the only one focused on it at least. I'm not sure I believe it as predetermined fact but I do *expect* them to do this simply because the whole point of this fifth generation revival and focus was not to be an R35 rival but rather a spiritual successor to the A80, its reputation for tune-ability and its focus as a rear wheel drive GT sports car with multiple variants all targeting different types of interested buyers.

And that does include people who would want a manual transmission Supra, preferably and predominantly but not limited to the B58C equipped models.

Whenever we get to the point of an A100 I will not at all be surprised if no manual transmission is considered by anyone given the constraints and electrification focus that a future Supra driveline will have to work within.

But for right now they CAN do it and this car is not purely a numbers car. It's supposed to be a very tuneable, fairly powerful turbocharged high performance car that rewards the driver with exhilaration and FUN at every moment it is being driven.

And while the ZF8 auto is really, really good... a manual transmission is still the ultimate expression of that fun over the fastest potential 0-60 and least number of milliseconds (yawn...) between shifts. Unless you're on a racetrack... who cares about how fast the transmission and ECU did all the shifting for you even though you've got little paddles to "request" an upshift or downshift be executed?

The car *can* be equipped with this option now and it's a pure gasoline-turbo engine. If Aston Martin, Porsche, Ford, BMW, etc. can all make new or fairly new front engine rear drive manual transmission pure gas cars at the moment then so can Toyota for their halo semi-affordable sportscar that is supposed to be about fun and engagement first and numbers second (other than the power numbers you can tune from the stout engine).

If they don't do a factory manual with this A90 generation then that will be it. So they really need to get on with readying one in a B58C or S58 variant or both. Now is the window of time because whenever or if ever we get to an A100 it hopefully will still be what a Supra is supposed to be as a pure driver's sportscar... but its driveline will be VERY different from this one.

Right now we just got the A90 which should see production for as many years as the A80 did (one would hope) so... c'mon Toyota! A90 B58C and/or S58 manual, A90 GRMN, A90 B48 manual and possibly even a targa roof version for those who want it (not me but I know some folks do, so...).

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PerformanceSound, to the best of my knowledge Porsche didn't even briefly kill off ALL their manual transmission model 911's let alone all manual transmission Porsches. They just briefly took the manual option away from the GT3 models for a couple of years which pissed off the small buyer base for those 911 variants so much that they came up with a new 6-speed manual gearbox first for the limited 911R and then which went into the 911 GT3. I believe they already had their less beefy 7-speed manual gearbox already in development by then for all the 911's below the Turbo, GT2 and GT3 models.

 

[PerformanceSound]

PerformanceSound, to the best of my knowledge Porsche didn't even briefly kill off ALL their manual transmission model 911's let alone all manual transmission Porsches. They just briefly took the manual option away from the GT3 models for a couple of years which pissed off the small buyer base for those 911 variants so much that they came up with a new 6-speed manual gearbox first for the limited 911R and then which went into the 911 GT3. I believe they already had their less beefy 7-speed manual gearbox already in development by then for all the 911's below the Turbo, GT2 and GT3 models.

I could be wrong on that....your right the GT3 may have been the only model during that back and forth transition. I thought the manual transmission went on a hiatus across the board during the time of the GT3 models announcement of no manual transmission. I might have been thinking that because many of their other models started off as PDK's only. Regardless, Porsche felt the effect of the manual transmission void, and responded appropriately. Toyota will have to as well...

 

[Supra Man]

I guess I’m still the only “fool” who believes a manual will be coming in the future...hehe.

Consider this though, Porsche at one point had no manual cars across the board....sales suffered....then the manual returned. Who knows, Toyota may just pull a fast one on us .

im holding off on the a90 because i believe the manual will come too haha.. well that and i never buy new model cars until a couple of years so the company have time to fix all the bugs, recalls, etc.

 

[JasonO]

im holding off on the a90 because i believe the manual will come too haha.. well that and i never buy new model cars until a couple of years so the company have time to fix all the bugs, recalls, etc.

A90 with manual 4cyl is my bet. Toyota always has been the evil genie that grants your wish with an exception.

 

[Supra Man]

A90 with manual 4cyl is my bet. Toyota always has been the evil genie that grants your wish with an exception.

dont you jinx it dam it!!! as much as i love manual gear box, idk if i can give up 2 cylinders for it. That will honestly drive me away from getting a supra for sure.

 

[Turbro]

im holding off on the a90 because i believe the manual will come too haha.. well that and i never buy new model cars until a couple of years so the company have time to fix all the bugs, recalls, etc.

I’m with you on this on waiting for manual option. If it never comes maybe the s58 will which would be awesome too. So waiting is fine with me until what I want in a model is ready

also I’m the buyer who would love a targa option but it’s not a deal breaker like a manual is.

 

[JasonO]

dont you jinx it dam it!!! as much as i love manual gear box, idk if i can give up 2 cylinders for it. That will honestly drive me away from getting a supra for sure.

I’m sorry to put that evil on you, but I have gotten used to deals with the devil in regards to Toyota coming from a Tacoma.

 

[ToyoBMW]

There won't be a manual, this car won't get enough sales to justify making a manual......ever

 

[Supra Man]

I’m with you on this on waiting for manual option. If it never comes maybe the s58 will which would be awesome too. So waiting is fine with me until what I want in a model is ready

also I’m the buyer who would love a targa option but it’s not a deal breaker like a manual is.

omg... its like u can read my mind haha i too would love to have a targa option! as for the s58, i feel like it will be possible in the future but not within the next 5 or 6 years and idk if i can wait that long..

I’m sorry to put that evil on you, but I have gotten used to deals with the devil in regards to Toyota coming from a Tacoma.

even tho i think you might be right.. i am still in denial and i hope u are very wrong..

There won't be a manual, this car won't get enough sales to justify making a manual......ever

imo i do think there is a chance even tho it might be slim.. got to remember that most of the people that is buying the supra right now are car enthusiast or have some knowledge about the history of it and a lot of them is not going to full out make it into a track car and try to beat times.. most of them just like to enjoy it on the road and have some fun here and there in curvy roads or track/autocross on the weekends.. i mean you cant tell me that a auto is fun to drive on a sport car even tho it shift fast.. i strongly believe that if they come up with a manual, the sales will go up and make up for it.

 

[ToyoBMW]

imo i do think there is a chance even tho it might be slim.. got to remember that most of the people that is buying the supra right now are car enthusiast or have some knowledge about the history of it and a lot of them is not going to full out make it into a track car and try to beat times.. most of them just like to enjoy it on the road and have some fun here and there in curvy roads or track/autocross on the weekends.. i mean you cant tell me that a auto is fun to drive on a sport car even tho it shift fast.. i strongly believe that if they come up with a manual, the sales will go up and make up for it.

I own a manual Miata and a manual Camaro z28, I'm quite happy this Supra is an automatic. As a street car that I drive often, I enjoy the automatic a lot more.

A Miata also puts a big smile on my face, but being a smaller high revving car, I think a manual is a necessity. However a powerful Camaro z28 with a manual, I get tired of driving it after an hour on the road. I don't get that feeling with the Supra.

But this all comes down to volume, if this is a slow mover, BMW and Toyota cannot justify making a manual. It'll be 25% of the slow volume, which is really going to be a money loser

 

[Supra Man]

I own a manual Miata and a manual Camaro z28, I'm quite happy this Supra is an automatic. As a street car that I drive often, I enjoy the automatic a lot more.

A Miata also puts a big smile on my face, but being a smaller high revving car, I think a manual is a necessity. However a power Camaro z28 with a manual, I get tired of driving it after an hour on the road. I don't get that feeling with the Supra.

But this all comes down to volume, if this is a slow mover, BMW and Toyota cannot justify making a manual. It'll be 25% of the slow volume, which is really going to be a money loser

understandable.. i have two daily cars that is auto for all year round and my sport/weekend car has always been a manual and every time i get to drive it in the warm weather it has given me a smile.. even tho it sucks in traffic but i get that full control of the car feeling in a manual that an auto dont give me.

sigh.. hope toyota sells enough to justify on adding a manual option..

 

[KahnBB6]

I’ve only owned manuals for over twenty years now and I’ve had to drive them in some of the worst rush hour traffic.

I still prefer manual transmissions over automatics on the street. Traffic sucks no matter what kind of vehicle or transmission you use.

Having a manual in a low powered car is definitely prerequisite. Having a manual in a decently powerful and torquey sports car or muscle car driven around town, in traffic or on the highway is even further amplified interactive fun.

To each their own. As good as any automatic-only car may be, if a manual version of another very good car is available I’m going to go for that other car simply because I enjoy shifting gears myself.

Hopefully with all the cost savings and parts bin sharing and existing parts reworking on the A90 so far to keep the overall vehicle and packages affordable Toyota will find a good solution for a 3.0L manual.

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