Toyota "Preparing" Hotter Supra GRMN, Says Chief Engineer

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GRMN will be significantly lighter than the ā€˜regularā€™ GR Supra, before going so far as to allege the availability of a manual gearbox.
I want to say "it worked, boys" with the biggest grin, but I'd probably be jumping the gun
 

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You raise some interesting questions good sir. I wonder if this is why the Cayman GT4 suffers from poor gearing with the 6mt and is preparing for a 7mt model as well (with the GT4RS receiving a PDK.) This would set the scene for Toyota to undercut Porsche.

I know this is farfetched but what gearbox will the new M3 be using since it has been confirmed to have a manual option?
That's quite a theory you handsome stranger. I also think it is interesting to point out that Magna-PT (formerly known as Getrag) is working on an 7mt and hybridized 7mt. Imagine another Supra with a Getrag manual transmission.
 

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Has ZF stopped producing 6MT transmissions? I looked on their site and only see 7MT transmissions. Also, the 7MT shares architecture with the 7DCT.

GRMN with the option for 7DCT or 7MT perhaps?

https://www.zf.com/products/en/cars/productfinder/driveline.html?filterLang=en
Would that mean the Supra would require a transaxle setup to use a trans like the ZF 7mt? While I do think this is a little far fetched, a transaxle would help with weight distribution, bring the car up market like a lot of the cars it is cross-shopped with like the Cayman, and separate it from cars like the Mustang, Camaro, and the new Z.
 

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The 7 speed DCT should be a traditional behind-engine FR transmission, shouldnā€™t it? It would be the same with the 7 speed manual if so.
 

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The 7 speed DCT should be a traditional behind-engine FR transmission, shouldnā€™t it? It would be the same with the 7 speed manual if so.
Depends on the DCT. The current Getrag M DCT is a traditional setup. But a ZF DCT (that the ZF 7mt is based off of) could/would be a transaxle setup as well.
 

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https://citizen.co.za/motoring/moto...e-to-receive-hardcore-grmn-moniker-next-year/

As it stands, the amount of twist from the 3.0-litre B58 turbocharged straight-six engine shared with the BMW Z4 eventually came to 285 kW with torque remaining unchanged. According to carsguide.com.au however, citing a report from Japan, this will swell to 309 kW with the debut of the GRMN.
Conspiracy theory: this is referring to the V35a which is rated at ~309-310 kw depending on source.
 

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Is there any validity behind the IS refresh having the B58 in the non-F version and the V35a/2UR as the top model?

https://leftlanenews.com/lexus/1517612231550740977/

If so, I donā€™t see how the IS can have both B58 and a Toyota engine but the Supra can not. It would make more sense for the GRMN Supra to have the V35a than the B58 considering Toyota is launching a performance sub brand with this car to rival M, AMG, and RS. GRMN would immediately be DOA if they launched the brand with another rival companyā€™s mid tier engine Toyota tuned or not.

V35a with a dry sump and a transaxle would be incredible for performance without stepping on the toes of the upcoming M4 and M2 as well as the LC and RC since there will be a clear differentiated between them. Also, this would more effectively make the car a mid engined Cayman GT4 or future GT4RS competitor on the track with the low CoG and better weight distribution of a dry sump V6 and transmission in the rear.

Maybe the headlight housings with 2 rows of 3 lights are a tribute to the first V6 Supra where as the FT1 had just 3 lights per housing. And maybe they do plan on using the fake vents on the door and rear bumper for inlets and outlets for the transaxle.
 
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Is there any validity behind the IS refresh having the B58 in the non-F version and the V35a/2UR as the top model?
No BMW engines planned for the IS refresh. Will continue with current engine offerings with a possible IS500 using the 2UR-GSE. Unfortunately, this does not appear to be an F model so unlikely to be a track-focused trim.

Maybe the headlight housings with 2 rows of 3 lights are a tribute to the first V6 Supra where as the FT1 had just 3 lights per housing. And maybe they do plan on using the fake vents on the door and rear bumper for inlets and outlets for the transaxle.
Bro, you have some crazy fantasy ideas. Please continue to take all your prescribed medications.
 

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No BMW engines planned for the IS refresh. Will continue with current engine offerings with a possible IS500 using the 2UR-GSE. Unfortunately, this does not appear to be an F model so unlikely to be a track-focused trim.



Bro, you have some crazy fantasy ideas. Please continue to take all your prescribed medications.
Bored in the house and I'm in the house bored.

You say that like it is crazy, but there has to be some tricks up Toyota's sleeve to compete with a the midengine GT4 with GT3 suspension as a FR inline 6.

Nevertheless, I have been here for 2 years and still havent seen anything that says the Supra won't have the V35a,
 
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Bored in the house and I'm in the house bored.

You say that like it is crazy, but there has to be some tricks up Toyota's sleeve to compete with a the midengine GT4 with GT3 suspension as a FR inline 6.

Nevertheless, I have been here for 2 years and still havent seen anything that says the Supra won't have the V35a,
I
sounds like a headache recalibrating the computers for the sake of the V35a
 

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Bored in the house and I'm in the house bored.

You say that like it is crazy, but there has to be some tricks up Toyota's sleeve to compete with a the midengine GT4 with GT3 suspension as a FR inline 6.

Nevertheless, I have been here for 2 years and still havent seen anything that says the Supra won't have the V35a,
Iā€™m being dead serious, you need to come back down to Earth with your expectations. Toyota has nothing up their sleeves. Toyota has no answer for what Porsche is doing. The Supra, although made to compete with the Cayman, will never be the Cayman-killer fanboys wished for. Toyota and Porsche have two completely different business models. It is as simple as that. We all fantasize, but donā€™t be silly to think that everything you dream up is coming to reality. That is just not how life works. Not sure how old you are, but most people learn this at a very early age...like when you find out Santa isnā€™t real.

The V35a is not coming to the Supra. Inline 6 is what they wanted. Otherwise, they would not have partnered with BMW.
 

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sounds like a headache recalibrating the computers for the sake of the V35a
Toyota did it with the RAV4, Avensis, and Verso and the N47 so I donā€™t see why they canā€™t do it here.
 

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Iā€™m being dead serious, you need to come back down to Earth with your expectations. Toyota has nothing up their sleeves. Toyota has no answer for what Porsche is doing. The Supra, although made to compete with the Cayman, will never be the Cayman-killer fanboys wished for. Toyota and Porsche have two completely different business models. It is as simple as that. We all fantasize, but donā€™t be silly to think that everything you dream up is coming to reality. That is just not how life works. Not sure how old you are, but most people learn this at a very early age...like when you find out Santa isnā€™t real.

The V35a is not coming to the Supra. Inline 6 is what they wanted. Otherwise, they would not have partnered with BMW.
Get off your high horse, Iā€™m posting theories since this thread has been dead. I have no expectations, no need to be an actual prick. I just donā€™t see how Toyota plans on launching a global performance brand with a motor (B58D) that doesnā€™t even meet EU regulations. ā€œMasters of the Nurburgringā€ but they have to have the car towed to the track sounds even more ridiculous than believing in Santa.

I donā€™t see why a V6 and I6 canā€™t coexist with one higher than another, a dozen of Mercedes models do the same thing. Not that I expect it to happen or anything, but Toyota got their inline 6 and they never said other engine configurations werenā€™t a possibility.
 
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Get off your high horse, Iā€™m posting theories since this thread has been dead. I have no expectations, no need to be an actual prick. I just donā€™t see how Toyota plans on launching a global performance brand with a motor (B58D) that doesnā€™t even meet EU regulations. ā€œMasters of the Nurburgringā€ but they have to have the car towed to the track sounds even more ridiculous than believing in Santa.

I donā€™t see why a V6 and I6 canā€™t coexist with one higher than another, a dozen of Mercedes models do the same thing. Not that I expect it to happen or anything, but Toyota got their inline 6 and they never said other engine configurations werenā€™t a possibility.

I still believe in Santa every year for Christmas
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