New (Unconfirmed) Details and Specifications of US-Spec MKV Supra:

[Chikane]

Its called the Mazda 2/Toyota iA!

I mean with the exception of that ugly face, it came out to be exactly like what people wanted. Unlike... this other thing here....

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[HKz]

Hmm that's not exactly a fair assessment, and this isn't like 86 where Toyota was paying most of the bills and can push some buttons to get Subaru to do things.

I believe if Toyota wanted to do another trim or to have two trims with different powers or grades and BMW refuses. Then it's game over from there. I got a feeling that BMW had refused some of Tada san's request.

Honestly. in my opinion the better partner to build the Supra and a good Japanese car would have been Mazda. Imagine the weight saving tech of the Miata in a Toyota RWD platform with a Toyota V6 at the helm, and also with Mazda's light interior designs.

..why don't you think Toyota isn't trying to do the same thing here with their money? From everything Tada-san has stated regarding their partnership, it really sounds as though BMW could care less about Toyota. BMW believes they are the masters here and that they think they know what is best whereas Subaru looks up to Toyota, uses their suppliers and the GT86 started as a completely clean slate, totally different game. Toyota cornered itself by specifically wanting to use an inline 6 and probably thought BMW was the only answer.

I agree, a partnership with Mazda would have made more sense, platform sharing the Supra with the RX9 would have probably been pretty accepted by JDM fans.

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

the difference between 2.0 and 3.0 in Japan is an extra 13,000 YEN (119 USD) per year so I don't think that would really be the reason..

I see, thanks for the info. Maybe it has something to do with past sales? With the A80, the NAs out sold the TTs in Japan. I believe the US was the only market where the TTs actually did better than the NAs.

 

[SPMS]

I see, thanks for the info. Maybe it has something to do with past sales? With the A80, the NAs out sold the TTs in Japan. I believe the US was the only market where the TTs actually did better than the NAs.

Because Americans want something other than the domestic we are offered, more power, and something to compete with the higher HP domestics. I always liked being able to have a Japanese car and beat on those domestic guys.

 

[Chikane]

..why don't you think Toyota isn't trying to do the same thing here with their money? From everything Tada-san has stated regarding their partnership, it really sounds as though BMW could care less about Toyota. BMW believes they are the masters here and that they think they know what is best whereas Subaru looks up to Toyota, uses their suppliers and the GT86 started as a completely clean slate, totally different game. Toyota cornered itself by specifically wanting to use an inline 6 and probably thought BMW was the only answer.

I agree, a partnership with Mazda would have made more sense, platform sharing the Supra with the RX9 would have probably been pretty accepted by JDM fans.

Fair point, but then if Toyota launched a Supra, say it worked with someone that's not Mazda and put in a V6. People still be up in arms about it. "It's not a Supra because it doesn't have an I6" etc etc. If money wasn't the issue then why not make their own new version of an I6 do everything in house etc. There's alot more to this.

and to be honest. Is it still a Supra if it doesn't have an I6? I think that's what they discuss before making their decision.

 

[Captain_Kirk]

I think A70TTR already address this in another thread. It has to do with image and marketing. In the sense that Americans view "bigger is better".

 

[A70TTR]

Hmm that's not exactly a fair assessment, and this isn't like 86 where Toyota was paying most of the bills and can push some buttons to get Subaru to do things.

I believe if Toyota wanted to do another trim or to have two trims with different powers or grades and BMW refuses. Then it's game over from there. I got a feeling that BMW had refused some of Tada san's request.

Honestly. in my opinion the better partner to build the Supra and a good Japanese car would have been Mazda. Imagine the weight saving tech of the Miata in a Toyota RWD platform with a Toyota V6 at the helm, and also with Mazda's light interior designs.being two japanese companies, they wouldn't charge you european prices for it too.

Like not building more than one version of the 4 and 6 cylinder car, regardless of market... yeah -___-

Oh well.

 

[Chikane]

Like not building more than one version of the 4 and 6 cylinder car, regardless of market... yeah -___-

Oh well.

I figured in the new Toyota and to meet the Mission and Vision they have to do a GLOBAL car. Which means it can be sold everywhere, I got a sense that our Hero Engineer Tada San might have gotten some kick back internally too. But I'm thinking Mr. Toyoda still gave the money to the team so that they can build somethingin terms that everyone will like it. But Our German Partner said NEIN.

If people didn't know Toyota's Mission statement is basically Build cars consumers want and I use Consumers Loosly because Enthusiast aren't a big percentage of consumers lol

 

[Lexusisf]

If all recent specs are true....next press release from Toyota will be;

The Legend is Not returning...

 

[MA617M]

Like not building more than one version of the 4 and 6 cylinder car, regardless of market... yeah -___-

Oh well.

That. sucks.

Very disappointing. I had slim hope that Au would get a less bloated I6 turbo version, but sadly, not looking that way any more.

The JZA80 TT cranked out, what, 330hp factory? The VVTi even a bit more? It also sat from 1450-1550kg (3190-3410lbs)....

Honestly, just modernising something that was done 25 years ago isn't enough to justify a premium. It's not even worth doing. My JZA80 still has zero rattles, decent build quality and a GTX35 ffs... does track duties, daily duties, road trips... why should I even bother looking at the A90?

This thing needs to be light and nimble, or 1500kg and 500hp

A car wearing the Supra name but being blown out of the water by a Focus RS is pathetic.

 

[A70TTR]

oh, they're gonna put some hard spin on it to try to sell the car regardless, but unless they drop that price, increase the power, and/or both, it's not gonna sell very well IMO

 

[Lexusisf]

so sad, so much hope for this, price keeps rising on the "just say what you want websites" now it is $65,500 US...

 

[MA617M]

It sounds like a born again 350/370Z.

In AU, an 86 is literally half the price, new, of a 370Z.

The zed sucked. Heavy and truck engine-d. I drove both and bought the 86.

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

I agree, a partnership with Mazda would have made more sense, platform sharing the Supra with the RX9 would have probably been pretty accepted by JDM fans.

That would be awesome. However, I recall reading an article sometime back where a Mazda official said if they were going to build the RX Vision concept they would want to go in on it alone. Something about taking pride in their own work. This maybe an odd concept for Toyota to understand.

 

[Matador]

ugh.

Eat a bag of d**ks Toyota. FFS.

On a more pleasant note, I'm sure the Mk4 just upped in value.

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