PerformanceSound
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Sweet!I don't plan on selling any of my supras... Adding an A90 would be fun.
I think the A90’s will be the new norm for 1000hp Supra’s on YouTube.
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Sweet!I don't plan on selling any of my supras... Adding an A90 would be fun.
From what’s been said lately about the serialized cars I can’t see that happening at all. Mkiv prices I feel have maxed out and will likely stay the same for a whileLikely laugh at the folks that paid 90k for a 400 hp special edition Supra. Then watch as their mk4s appreciate even faster in value.
That's my guess.
If the A90 is not better than the A80 25 years on, it would be a disaster for Toyota's image. So we know it is better, no doubting that, i wont disagree.
However, its not drastically better. Its marginally better, and not enough to meet progression or reasonable expectations.
Regardless, The A80 is truly the more fun, enjoyable and rewarding car.
Why?
The A90 is now an electronic device thst tricks and disconnects the driver.
Its Automatic, you dont change really gears. Thers no skill needed to shift. it has electric steering, you dont really steer, its an electric throttle, so you dont really accelerate. The CPU takes your inputs, decides how they should be applied, and uses electrical motors to adjust. Want to drop down a gear? Want to kick the rear out? It only does it for you after fixing your shitty driving, or not at all if chooses to. It might aswell just be autonomous and tell you to admire the scenery.
Like any modern car, the driver is more a navigational guidline. The A90 is garnished fake vents which do nothing, so why have them?, Same goes for the fake sound in the cabin, and the toyta badges hiding bmw parts. If it has to fake it, then its clearly hiding something - fix the hidden problems instead.
The A80 is old school stupid. Apart from it being more practical, you also need a skill to change gears correctly and at the precisely right time, you need a skill to power on at the right times, you need a skill to manage 3 pedals with 2 feet, you need skill to get the turn to hit an apex just right. Your the CPU.
Thats rewarding, thats what makes driving great. Taking it away is removing the best parts. There's no fun in an A90 doing that for you. Yes the A80 has some driver aids, but nothing remotly close to the A90's get in an "be driven". Watch its driving videos. The drivers just get in and plant it, then saw at the wheel just using one foot for everything. Its too simple and easy. If i wanted that, id buy a Tesla.
The A80 lets you and you alone drive, and its easily a better experience overall. Faster does NOT mean more fun or rewarding, (despite the fact a basic modifed A80 IS much,much faster)
Its why we still have drivers in F1 with a shitload of controls. We dont need them, automation could make it faster. Being able to step out after a long run and think "that was all me, i got the gearing right, i got the drift right, i got the turns spot on, i earned that lap time" all that is its own reward, and its more appreciated by others, hence why Motorsport in general blocks driver aids.
That reward is not going to be possible in an A90. The A90 is bit like a chapperone. You wanted to go see deadpool 1 &2 in all their glory, but you ended up with the PG version because it knows whats best for you. You know what It gave you is a better version, you know it is better for you, and you tell everyone how great the A90 is because its newer, smarter, faster.... But what you got sux in long term enjoyment comparison.
I cant help but wonder... If they ever make a100 supra, and its fully automated with no steering wheel... Will people also praise it as better, just because its faster?
I like the A90 i really do, it will be a great car car. But if im going on a driving holiday around europe, or north America, with focus on real driving fun, Id take anything thats more driver connected over it, and the A80 is way up higher on that list. It will be much, much more fun.