Toyota Gazoo Racing World Premieres GR GT & GR GT3

[KahnBB6]

Something else I took notice of in the Japanese reviewer's video above is that he states the bore and stroke of the 4.0L V8 twin turbo is the same as the bore and stroke found in the upcoming G20E 2.0L turbo engine that will power the GR Corolla, GR MR2 and other cars.

This is just my own stretch but... if Toyota has been willing to design that four cylinder and join two of them together to form their flagship supercar V8 they might just be willing to do the same thing by joining two of their three cylinder G16E's or two of the rumored 1.5L variants (which are supposed to at minimum power the Japan only or JDM & Europe only GR Starlet rally car) together to form a new inline six engine.

One hopes.

Toyota LOVES to amortize development costs all around and killing many birds with only a few stones seems to be what they have been doing with these new performance engines so far.

They're on a roll here and going for everything they can it seems so it wouldn't surprise me. And they did emphasize the 1JZ-GTE, 2JZ-GTE and 3S-GTE in the ending of the last episode of their promotional anime series.

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[Loco38SUP]

Something else I took notice of in the Japanese reviewer's video above is that he states the bore and stroke of the 4.0L V8 twin turbo is the same as the bore and stroke found in the upcoming G20E 2.0L turbo engine that will power the GR Corolla, GR MR2 and other cars.

This is just my own stretch but... if Toyota has been willing to design that four cylinder and join two of them together to form their flagship supercar V8 they might just be willing to do the same thing by joining two of their three cylinder G16E's or two of the rumored 1.5L variants (which are supposed to at minimum power the Japan only or JDM & Europe only GR Starlet rally car) together to form a new inline six engine.

One hopes.

Toyota LOVES to amortize development costs all around and killing many birds with only a few stones seems to be what they have been doing with these new performance engines so far.

They're on a roll here and going for everything they can it seems so it wouldn't surprise me. And they did emphasize the 1JZ-GTE, 2JZ-GTE and 3S-GTE in the ending of the last episode of their promotional anime series.

It could happen but the 4-cylinder has enough output to make 400-600 hp. There are multiple models that could benefit from this power plant. I don’t see a use case for an inline 6 variant solely for the next gen Supra.

-RJM

 

[KahnBB6]

It could happen but the 4-cylinder has enough output to make 400-600 hp. There are multiple models that could benefit from this power plant. I don’t see a use case for an inline 6 variant solely for the next gen Supra.

-RJM

Which says a lot about the upper potential of the V8.

At bare minimum Toyota seems to want to use some inline six for the Supra MKVI and the next conventional Lexus coupe (which will share the same base chassis architecture in different wheelbases with different focuses).

But if they would be so inclined to do it they could also use a new I-6 in a sport sedan of some kind. They do have the lineage of the Mark II and Chaser they could bring back. I'm not sure if they actually would but I would be very surprised if there weren't already some people in the GR division who would jump at the chance to spearhead a new model like that.

The GR promotional anime series also did highlight a 90's Altezza RS200 (powered by a 3S-GE BEAMS dual vvt-i 2.0L naturally aspirated engine) so that's their other sport sedan possibility which is a bit smaller than the midsize and longer wheelbase JZX90/100/110 Mark II & Chaser 1JZ-GTE cars.

If they do a GR sport sedan I think they'd pick one type or the other. I doubt they would do both types of sport sedan revivals but at the rate they're going I'd love it if they did in addition to all the coupes.

But... getting a potential I-6 born from two G16E's (or 1.5L variants of them) into more than only two Toyota/Lexus/GR specialty cars (plus perhaps a Mazda but who knows) would certainly spread those R&D costs around more which the company likes to do.

Edit: Further... they have already pivoted any R&D on a Lexus IS RWD platform based "GR86" to the Mazda collaboration with the next Miata by investing in the Mazda ND platform to suit both cars... so I'd reason that whatever Toyota GR's R&D people accomplished up to that point with the Lexus IS platform architecture would be what they'd likely invest in more as needed to make whatever kind of other sedan model they might want from it. Again... if they even decide to do a GR sport sedan model at all be it G20E powered or I-6 powered.

 

[mack73]

Personally think it looks great. I am glad to see Toyota investing in the GR brand

 

[Loco38SUP]

The matte black hides a lot of its aesthetics. Add a hot color to it and man that car will be a looker.

-RJM

 

[BMWAF]

So.. umm.. how come this stupid cartoon didn't have the three cars Toyota actually released in it?

 

[Gabe]

But unless they make this $100K or less MSRP (and it isn't dealer markup'd to shit) it's more than likely going to be a flop.

Nope and (yes)

 

[jmikes]

So.. umm.. how come this stupid cartoon didn't have the three cars Toyota actually released in it?

I haven't actually watched or read about it, is it "illegal" street racing? Toyota is hugely against that (see: their refusal to put Toyota vehicles in NFS games since 2015)

 

[gymratter]

In other news the Lexus guys are pissed that this car does that a "L" badge on it

 

[Zboy]

The matte black hides a lot of its aesthetics. Add a hot color to it and man that car will be a looker.

-RJM

There were some photoshop pics of the GT in various colors and it does have more of a wow factor imo.

 

[noogie]

The GR GT will compete with the Porsche GT3RS, so expect to be around 250k.

The GT3RS is essentially impossible to buy even if you have 250k. It’s part of Porsche strategy to make the car more appealing.

I don’t think Toyota will make it exclusive like the GT3RS so maybe that’s how Toyota differentiate themselves.

Though I don’t think someone that wants to buy a GT3RS will buy a GR GT as an alternative.

At the end of the day, Toyota needed to develop a new GT3 car as the current RCF GT3 is getting too old. Pretty sure Toyota will be losing money selling the GR GT. Consider this just part of racing marketing budget.

 

[Pizza]

I haven't actually watched or read about it, is it "illegal" street racing? Toyota is hugely against that (see: their refusal to put Toyota vehicles in NFS games since 2015)

That idea is mostly myth that's been perpetuated through the internet for the last decade or so, because a social media manager who didn't know the real answer responded to a question on Twitter.

It's 95% due to licensing. Sony had exclusivity with Toyota for some of Grand Turismo. EA has just never reached a new agreement. Forza Horizon has illegal street racing in it and Toyota is back in those games. Actually the only way the get the 2003 Celica Specialty ii in FH5 is from beating it in an illegal 1v1 midnight battle lol.

 

[gor134]

I haven't actually watched or read about it, is it "illegal" street racing? Toyota is hugely against that (see: their refusal to put Toyota vehicles in NFS games since 2015)

That was proven to be inaccurate.

Rather, Toyota for a short period of time was only supplying their cars to Japanese-only studios hence why they were featured in Assoluto Racing and Gran Turismo. Meanwhile they were pulled out of NFS, The Crew, Forza Horizon and Motorsport, and their cars were pulled from Asphalt mobile games.

Now they're back in all of the games except for NFS, likely due to licensing costs.

 

[jmikes]

That idea is mostly myth that's been perpetuated through the internet for the last decade or so, because a social media manager who didn't know the real answer responded to a question on Twitter.

It's 95% due to licensing. Sony had exclusivity with Toyota for some of Grand Turismo. EA has just never reached a new agreement. Forza Horizon has illegal street racing in it and Toyota is back in those games. Actually the only way the get the 2003 Celica Specialty ii in FH5 is from beating it in an illegal 1v1 midnight battle lol.

Ah I actually never knew that, the more you know!

 

[Nugs]

And the GT3 version deletes the hybrid system and battery pack altogether presumably to allow for a higher powered (and undoubtedly with higher boost pressure) and much more aggressive race tune of the V8.

GT3 racing cars often have less power than the road going versions.

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