Toyota Gazoo Racing World Premieres GR GT & GR GT3

[SupraYYJ]

I fully expected to love this. I also expected it to cost 3 Supras, but I decided I was willing to pay that. And then:

Isn't this actually really ugly?

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[KahnBB6]

Not ugly at all to my eyes. I quite like the final look of the GT and GT3. I love the super long hood that is rather flat. The rear view looks great too. But I'm a fan of Japanese performance models that take a more conservative and brutish approach to their styling.

The Lexus LFA2 I'm much less won over by. It definitely isn't boring but it doesn't have the same appeal as the all business GR GT/GT3. And specifically in that one I really, really despise the steering yoke. I'm interested to learn about the powertrain for it (solid state battery equipped I'd assume) but the steering yoke... a hard no thanks on that.

Wish we'd gotten some hard numbers at this time but we already have some speculation as to power figures.

 

[SupraYYJ]

Wish we'd gotten some hard numbers at this time but we already have some speculation as to power figures.

We got numbers. They're not great:

Vehicle weight: 1,750 kg or lower
Maximum system output: 650 PS or greater
Maximum system torque: 850 Nm or greater

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/43622107.html

 

[swrdply400mrelay]

I fully expected to love this. I also expected it to cost 3 Supras, but I decided I was willing to pay that. And then:

Isn't this actually really ugly?

I think it looks kind of cool, not the prettiest car though.

But I’ll hold off judgement until I see it in real life. I thought the MkV Supra wasn’t that great looking when it first came out, but then I saw it IRL and thought it looked really good.

Not that it matters bc it’ll be out of my price range

 

[swrdply400mrelay]

We got numbers. They're not great:

Vehicle weight: 1,750 kg or lower
Maximum system output: 650 PS or greater
Maximum system torque: 850 Nm or greater

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/43622107.html

To be fair, they do note production numbers may be different. I’m concerned this car will be similar to the last gen NSX that didn’t sell well, too heavy, too expensive and underpowered. Granted this is about the same weight with a bit more power.

 

[Mimosa]

I love the look. It comes off as a softer, cyberpunk neo-brutalist design. The engine is also beautiful and I hope they don't trying to place an ugly engine cover on it.

I am definitely interested in buying one if it is priced similar to its competitors

I don't know where Car and Driver is pulling the ridiculous $500K price tag from when this is meant to compete with other vehicles in the $180K-$220K price range with similar power, components, and materials. I expect the production version of the LFA BEV concept to be priced around that much, but not the GR GT.

We got numbers. They're not great:

Vehicle weight: 1,750 kg or lower
Maximum system output: 650 PS or greater
Maximum system torque: 850 Nm or greater

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/43622107.html

Looks similar to every other car it's trying to compete against.

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

To be fair, they do note production numbers may be different. I’m concerned this car will be similar to the last gen NSX that didn’t sell well, too heavy, too expensive and underpowered. Granted this is about the same weight with a bit more power.

I would also add ugly too the list. IMO, Honda and Toyota failed miserably in the styling department. Both companies had a good starting point with the 2003 Honda HSC Concept and the 2021 Toyota GR GT3 Concept, but sadly they both went the fugly route.

 

[Zboy]

I would also add ugly too the list. IMO, Honda and Toyota failed miserably in the styling department. Both companies had a good starting point with the 2003 Honda HSC Concept and the 2021 Toyota GR GT3 Concept, but sadly they both went the fugly route.

At least the interior looks good.

 

[jmikes]

I think it looks really good personally. Are people mad that it's visually not a generic attempt at a lambo ripoff? (cough cough Chevy)

That being said, like I've said before when talking about this car on this site, it's going to be at the price where most buyers get it as an investment and let it rot in a garage. I'd be shocked to ever see this car in person.

 

[KahnBB6]

We got numbers. They're not great:

Vehicle weight: 1,750 kg or lower
Maximum system output: 650 PS or greater
Maximum system torque: 850 Nm or greater

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/43622107.html

Almost 3,900lbs curb weight isn't nearly as good as I expected but it's not terrible considering that probably includes the hybrid battery pack's weight. I did expect far better than that for a supercar with extensive use of aluminum. I guess they decided against a lot of carbon fiber for this one?

650hp+ is not shabby for that weight especially in a modern chasiss. It's not at some insane level but pretty good with a modern chassis that can efficiently put the power down well-- which is a pretty significant factor.

The GT3 race version will probably best that by a few hundred pounds less and will be able to make up for being hybrid-less with a far more aggressive race tune with higher boost pressure than the GT version gets. We'll see.

 

[st4ck0v3rfl0w]

Isn't this actually really ugly?

Yes. Underwhelming in all regards, IMO. That said, I am not at all surprised to see how many MKV owners are claiming they will purchase one. Unfortunately, we have a lot of owners in our community that have -ahem- questionable taste

 

[BMWAF]

Yes. Underwhelming in all regards, IMO. That said, I am not at all surprised to see how many MKV owners are claiming they will purchase one. Unfortunately, we have a lot of owners in our community that have -ahem- questionable taste

And a lot of money, it would seem.

 

[KahnBB6]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/dont-call-it-a-toyota-the-gr-gt-is-a-v8-hybrid-race-car-for-the-road

Underwhelming is the last thing that comes to my mind when seeing the pictures of it and reading about how they went about designing it. To each their own.

Don’t Call It a Toyota: The GR GT Is a V8 Hybrid Race Car for the Road
GR's long-awaited flagship was developed from scratch right alongside its racing counterpart. And no—it doesn't wear a Toyota or Lexus badge.

Toyota has a new flagship sports car, and it seems those rumors of it wearing a Lexus badge were overblown. There’s no Lexus badge on it, and in fact, there isn’t even a Toyota badge. It’s a GR.

The GR GT debuted Friday morning in Japan at the automaker’s Woven City complex not far from Fuji Speedway, alongside a GR GT3 race car and an electric Lexus LFA concept.

The GR GT, which is officially still a prototype under development, is expected to debut sometime in 2027 and will herald a list of firsts for the Toyota group, including a new twin-turbo V8 hybrid powertrain and aluminum frame.

Specs aren’t final yet, but lurking beneath the carbon fiber and aluminum skin is a new 4.0-liter. twin-turbo V8 engine featuring dry-sump lubrication. Toyota said the design concept for the clean-sheet engine revolved around a low center of gravity and keeping everything light, which resulted in a bore and stroke of 87.5 x 83.1, reducing the engine’s overall height. The two turbos are set up in a “hot-V” configuration, like other high-end turbocharged V8s. Toyota says it’s targeting at least 641 horsepower and 627 lb-ft of torque. A 0-60 mph time hasn’t been divulged, but the GR GT is estimated to top out at 199 mph, if not higher.

Power is sent through a carbon fiber driveshaft to a transaxle 8-speed automatic transmission. Between the driveshaft and gearbox is an electric motor to act as a torque filler and replace the torque converter for smooth shifts and seamless power delivery. A battery pack rests above the transaxle to feed the electric motor. There’s a mechanical limited-slip differential to optimally get that power to the ground. But, in an effort to keep the wheelbase short, Toyota is using a canonical gear to reverse the direction of the power, to turn the driveshaft through the mechanical limited-slip differential, similarly to how power would flow in an all-wheel-drive supercar. Except, the GR GT is rear-wheel-drive only.

Toyota said the entire setup delivers a 45:55 weight distribution. And, while the automaker is calling the GR GT a front-engine, rear-wheel-drive car, the V8 is fully seated behind the front axle, making it more of a front-mid-engine machine.

Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires bordering on street-legal race slicks will be standard; according to Toyota, they were developed specifically for the GR GT. Hidden behind the wheels are pizza-sized Brembo carbon ceramic brake rotors grabbed by huge calipers, but more details on those haven’t been released at this point.

While the old Lexus LFA’s V10 engine and exhaust note were tuned by Yamaha, no such partnership exists for the GR GT. But Toyota said that the GR GT’s exhaust pipes were constructed in a way to produce a sound that suits the vehicle. We’ll reserve judgment for when we hear the final product in person.

The entire chassis is new; it was specifically designed for the GT3 version and used for the street car, as the two were developed in tandem, and it’s made out of aluminum. That’s a first for Toyota, but it helps keep the weight down, rigidity up, and cost in check, rather than using a carbon fiber tub. The body panels are made out of aluminum and carbon fiber, though Toyota hasn’t yet specified which panels are made from which material. Toyota said the GR GT will weigh 3,858 pounds at most. At 15.8 feet long, it’s about 10 inches longer than a Porsche 911 but roughly the same length as a Mercedes-AMG GT Coupe.

Both the GR GT and GR GT3’s suspension systems were designed together and consist of low-mounted double wishbones made out of forged aluminum, front and rear.

The exterior was shaped around the car’s aerodynamics. Toyota said designers and aerodynamic engineers co-developed the GR GT’s body with the main goal of proper airflow and cooling performance, rather than pure style.

Inside, the GR GT is strictly a two-seat affair and is not a 2+2 setup. Sorry, kids. The interior design is focused on ergonomics, both for outward visibility on the track as well as vehicle controls. There are chunky toggle switches for some aspects of the climate system and infotainment beneath the huge touchscreen, while drive modes and traction control are adjusted via knobs on the steering wheel.

Toyota hasn’t said how much the GR GT will cost when it arrives, but expect a sizable six-figure price tag in the vicinity of $225,000.

 

[Matador]

The GT seems a little heavy for the power output.

This got me at first. I was also expecting it to be a full hybrid, not just a mild hybrid. However when you look at where this is aimed in the market, it is actually on the lighter side of the spectrum. Shocking, I know (I still wish it would be lighter, but alas...).

I fully expected to love this. I also expected it to cost 3 Supras, but I decided I was willing to pay that. And then:

Isn't this actually really ugly?

I don't think it's really ugly, but I also don't think it's extremely attractive in the conventional sense (at least from the back. Front and side are great IMO). I like the design details at the back, they just don't come together well. Taking comfort in the fact that it was designed with purpose, to be aerodynamically efficient and then look sleek after. This is evident in the way the spats are shaped, and be that the case, I'm okay with it.

We got numbers. They're not great:

Vehicle weight: 1,750 kg or lower
Maximum system output: 650 PS or greater
Maximum system torque: 850 Nm or greater

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/43622107.html

BHP/Tonne is comparable or better than;
- 911 Turbo S
- AMG GTR
- Mustang GTD
and the list goes on. It will be fine. I think it should be able to easily do a sub 7 min Nurburgring lap time and let's not forget that there could be be variants on this that get turned up to 11.

I love the look. It comes off as a softer, cyberpunk neo-brutalist design. The engine is also beautiful and I hope they don't trying to place an ugly engine cover on it.

I am definitely interested in buying one if it is priced similar to its competitors

I don't know where Car and Driver is pulling the ridiculous $500K price tag from when this is meant to compete with other vehicles in the $180K-$220K price range with similar power, components, and materials. I expect the production version of the LFA BEV concept to be priced around that much, but not the GR GT.



Looks similar to every other car it's trying to compete against.

Agreed that C&D is delusional with that pricing. I think this will land somewhere between $150-$250k. Definitely the gt3 Racecar will be well above $500k.

The Lexus LFA EV, who knows what price it will be. I feel like this will be the model used to roll out Toyota's Solid State Batteries though.

 

[Matador]

Side note; While this may be Tooyta's first production all aluminum chassis, I wonder how much lessons were learnt producing the original LFA's "first draft" chassis that were applied to this

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