U.S. Supra Ordering: Pricing and Availability Details! Have You Ordered?

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  1. arexniba

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    Don't think you're from the Bay Area, or if you have heard, but people here tend to make higher (than national average) salaries. So, I agree with your assumption of "A." And "B" is just irrelevant lol. If you got the money, then understanding SMART financial responsibilities is the least of your worries. I'm sure people will be under the premise that if they get the launch edition (as not many will be in production), then it will/may be worth more in the future. In other words, to someone here, they may buy the launch edition as an investment.

    I took my bike in this past weekend to get serviced in a city called Milpitas. It's in the middle of San Francisco and South Bay (tech capital). And out of nowhere, I heard a beautiful exhaust note. I glanced over, and rolling down the street was a brand new McLaren 600LT. And as I was walking it's very common to see Tesla's ($100k+) and all the other expensive cars. Median houses around here are $1m and up. For us lowly people, we're pushed to the East Bay where homes are still somewhat "affordable"--$600k for a 3 bedroom/1 bath, 1100sqft (lol).

    I mean...look at the last model Supras. They are over 20 years old and selling for over $100k. I'm sure this Supra will be in the same class in the following years. I could be wrong...
     
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    Id love to be wrong, but the 5th Gen Supra is not going to appreciate in value.
     
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    This is contradictory. If the bay area's markup is $45k and other parts of the country are having a markup of, let's say $10k, then they are leaving $35k on the table. Now if $35k isn't a lot of money to someone then that works out fine, see type A. But to someone who is using the car as an 'investment,' leaving $35k on the table from the start significantly impacts their return when you could save a lot of money buying a car out of state. So I highly doubt people would leave that money on the table and consider the car to be an asset, see type B.

    People in different parts of the country have different incomes, okay got it.

    The MKIV is an anomaly that rarely happens in the automotive industry.
     
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    You guys must not have been paying attention for the past decade or so, but the Supra did not appreciate at all. The prices dropped below 20k for even a decent twin turbo, manual MKIV. It's just hype and limited supply that have driven the prices up recently. The 100k+ cars are a combination of low-mile outliers, idiots with too much money, and speculators.
     
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    Look, we can debate all we want on who's logically more sound. But there's one FACT in both of our statements, we are assuming. All of this is speculation. We are either hearing stories from others or have our own direct experiences getting numbers from the dealers. Additionally, EVEN the dealers are making up prices. All of them are ranging from "No markups" to "$20k for launch." Stemming from the West Coast to East Coast. And in other parts of the country.

    I'm sure no one believed the MKIV was going to be worth the purchase (at the time) for $50k, but many years later people are trying to pay 3x that amount to have one. This is what I believe will happen with the A90. People will buy them out. Some will crash them and fuk them up. And in the next 20 years, the very few that are left will sell for 6 figures.

    AGAIN, I may be wrong...
     
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    Why is this directed to me?
     
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    "You guys" Not directed at you only, I was implying everyone saying the MKIV appreciated was not necessarily correct.
     
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    So this goes back to why does it matter what someone else overpays for something since it does not impact pricing for everyone else?

    There have only been handfuls of supras sold for over $100k and those cars are in pristine condition or previously broke the standing mile speed record
     
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    You mean not me at all, i'd be the last to say they appreciated. They only did for the ones who were fortunate enough to pick one up during the fallout of the 08 recession, but even then it is still not an overall appreciation since production
     
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    My apologies then, I misunderstood you.
     
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    Imagine buying an NA for less than $10k 10 years ago, and still being able to get parts for them, what a time.

    On a related unrelated note, my uncle's mk3 just solf for $15k on BaT that he purchased for significantly less during that same era
     
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    Nostalgia sells.
     
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    Regarding the above comments ^

    All of us are speculating, but that is part of the fun. If anyone is taking a second mortgage or even stretching their budget too thin in hopes that the car will skyrocket, that is prolly a terrible decision....but to each their own.

    I typically never buy new cars due to the huge depreciation they take. Fingers crossed, the launch edition bodes better in that category than the typically new car.

    As for the non-launch editions, imho, Toyota will make as many as they can sell. I personally wouldn’t pay msrp for a non-launch, but I don’t hold it against anyone who does. (Besides, I need people to buy new cars, so I can buy them when they are done with them).

    If the dealer calls me and says we have your exact spec car for MSRP, but it is a non-launch edition, I will pass and pick one up in a few years for a lot cheaper.
     
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    My take is that is that this Supra is intentionally under-priced. I'm still shocked at the $50K number. You'll see a steady march of increasing prices as the years go by. This will include many "Special Editions". And if you're waiting to score used examples at clearance prices, be prepared to wait at least three years when the warranty period is up. Waiting is not going to be a good hedge position when it comes to this future classic.
     
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    sounds like the definition of appreciation to me.
     
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