justbake
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Keyword is *recently* and not an *overall* appreciationsounds like the definition of appreciation to me.
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Keyword is *recently* and not an *overall* appreciationsounds like the definition of appreciation to me.
So tell me, what were the prices like in 2009? And, what would the price of the Supra be if it were brand new today (conversion of 1990's money). It would still be less than it's original asking price.sounds like the definition of appreciation to me.
How so? Can you elaborate more on this?The MKIV is an anomaly that rarely happens in the automotive industry.
I could go into much more detail on this but the MKIV is one of the few models that hold their value well over the years, more so than 99% of other carsHow so? Can you elaborate more on this?
It falls under the perfect storm for a future classic even though it's a Japanese car; low production numbers, very expensive when released, perfect sports car ingredients, only available from 93-98. If you follow the exotic car hack trend, sports cars depreciated, bottom out, then start to rise. I'm still kicking my self in the ass for not buying my friend's 94 Hardtop 6 spd TT when he was selling it to buy a GTR. He was selling it for 22K (back in 2012) and I thought that was too much given it had 143K miles, missing a VIN tag on the passenger door, seats were ripped, paint was oxidized, valve stem seals smoking during start up etc.I could go into much more detail on this but the MKIV is one of the few models that hold their value well over the years, more so than 99% of other cars
My take is that is that this Supra is intentionally under-priced. I'm still shocked at the $50K number. You'll see a steady march of increasing prices as the years go by. This will include many "Special Editions". And if you're waiting to score used examples at clearance prices, be prepared to wait at least three years when the warranty period is up. Waiting is not going to be a good hedge position when it comes to this future classic.
This dude (justbake) is the very definition of opinionated. Only 1 person can be right, and that ain't you! lolIt falls under the perfect storm for a future classic even though it's a Japanese car; low production numbers, very expensive when released, perfect sports car ingredients, only available from 93-98. If you follow the exotic car hack trend, sports cars depreciated, bottom out, then start to rise. I'm still kicking my self in the ass for not buying my friend's 94 Hardtop 6 spd TT when he was selling it to buy a GTR. He was selling it for 22K (back in 2012) and I thought that was too much given it had 143K miles, missing a VIN tag on the passenger door, seats were ripped, paint was oxidized, valve stem seals smoking during start up etc.
This is my friend Frank Guerrero's MKIV. Back in the days, nobody wanted them and little by little, the dealership started marking them down. Now he has 4 MKIV's (2 Quicksilvers, a IJM and a black 6 spd TT). They are mint, the 2 QS are bone stock, very low mileage and are easily worth over 150K each. He also has a black NA NSX
The Super Bowl commercial was a very smart move to bring those who are not aware that Toyota brought back a new Supra. This is my take on the A90. Toyota/Magna wants to manufacture a lot of MKV's, I think somewhere in the range of 11K/year. Initial demand will be high (like any new car) with ADM and the Launch Editions with only cosmetic upgrades, no suspension and performance deviation and on a non-limited produced vehicle won't hold any value later on. That's all clever marketing to fool the consumer.This dude (justbake) is the very definition of opinionated. Only 1 person can be right, and that ain't you! lol
I'm on your side, I think this Supra has the very formula of a "classic" car. Just to give an easy, sound argument, look at the early release in the UK to put a deposit on the car. Within days they were done taking orders. The US is the biggest consumer of Toyota, and I'm sure Toyota NA will sell out as soon as they give the notice to put in deposits. I think they established this when they released the commercial during the Super Bowl. How else will you get the attention of 98.2 million Americans! lol
I see. Makes a lot of sense what you're bringing up. In that case, I wonder if the real "limited" Supra MKV's will be what's being talked right now, with TRD releasing their cosmetic upgrades. I'm sure they will also be releasing performance upgrades. I'm sure all Toyota is doing is waiting to see how many of these Supras will sell, how the public will take them, and the reviews they will get.The Super Bowl commercial was a very smart move to bring those who are not aware that Toyota brought back a new Supra. This is my take on the A90. Toyota/Magna wants to manufacture a lot of MKV's, I think somewhere in the range of 11K/year. Initial demand will be high (like any new car) with ADM and the Launch Editions with only cosmetic upgrades, no suspension and performance deviation and on a non-limited produced vehicle won't hold any value later on. That's all clever marketing to fool the consumer.
I'm still waiting for the reviews from regular joes to review the MKV. I believe it'll be a fun car to drive, a bit boring w/out a 3rd pedal but honestly, I don't see the MKV as being a classic. The shared platform and the non-limited production number would hinder the MKV. In the U.S alone, from 93-98, only 11,239 Supras were sold and out of that, only 3,712 were 6 speed TT's.
Even if the A90 got rave reviews and followed the same production cycle and mediocre "Release Series" that the GT86 did, then it'll be just a great sports car, nothing more, nothing less. So far, they are not following that route because of the GT4 concept version, so Toyota came to play. Now, if Toyota offered a limited edition GT4 street version that had the sports car recipe then that'll be the meal ticket.I see. Makes a lot of sense what you're bringing up. In that case, I wonder if the real "limited" Supra MKV's will be what's being talked right now, with TRD releasing their cosmetic upgrades. I'm sure they will also be releasing performance upgrades. I'm sure all Toyota is doing is waiting to see how many of these Supras will sell, how the public will take them, and the reviews they will get.
Like that video that you posted with Jay Leno, he briefly said he liked it. And there are other celebrities that they've used to test the MKV, i.e. F1 racer, Fernando Alonso. I guess they're setting it up to release that "classic" Supra. So far, I've only read/heard good things about the A90. All the bad is just angry fans that don't like the merge between BMW & Toyota...
Hm, maybe another GT4 would be good...Even if the A90 got rave reviews and followed the same production cycle and mediocre "Release Series" that the GT86 did, then it'll be just a great sports car, nothing more, nothing less. So far, they are not following that route because of the GT4 concept version, so Toyota came to play. Now, if Toyota offered a limited edition GT4 street version that had the sports car recipe then that'll be the meal ticket.
Hopefully with a stronger shock tower and a stronger 3rd gear synchro.Hm, maybe another GT4 would be good...
Whats your problem? Desmo and I were agreeing..This dude (justbake) is the very definition of opinionated. Only 1 person can be right, and that ain't you! lol
Yea I don’t jump it more than once a day, but I do love me some power shifts.Hopefully with a stronger shock tower and a stronger 3rd gear synchro.