New (Unconfirmed) Details and Specifications of US-Spec MKV Supra:

[bogglo]

I think I will just hang on to what A70 said. This rumour don't make any sense.

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[Modal170]

Supra MKIV = 320 HP 3,4xx lbs
Supra MKV = ~330-350+ HP (maybe more with +37 hp overboost) ~ 3,3xx lbs

Guys, it is time to realize that sub 3,000 is too far from being true. The added safety features and technology for current EPA, state and federal regulations would not allow it to be below 3,000 lbs. The technology does not exists. Yet...

The only way it will be below 3,000 lbs is to completely STRIP the unnecessaries (passenger and driver mechanical seats,spare [if any], arm rest, flooring, panels and more.) It doesnt take much to make an educated guess that it will be around 3,200 - 3,500 lbs.

I was truly rooting for 2,900 lbs as A70 stated.

HOWEVER.... I have a friend whose dad is an owner of a local (large) toyota dealership. I asked him on specifics on the new supra and this was all he had to say, "Looks bleak. Performance can be found elsewhere and may be potentially DOA." He brought up some key details that were not discuss here in the forums just yet, but lets see if the information is going to be released and how accurate he was.
I am on still on the bandwagon of a potentially lower weight.



Well, lets look below.






"Supra-needs-to-be-on-a-diet-plan" said Jenny Craig.
I believe V35A-FKS Twin Scrolled turbos will be used. Why? Lower weight. MORE POWERFUL. Tried. Tested. And True to Toyota.
However, I dont believe this will be offered at launch. A year or two in will they launch this.(...just like the Q50 Red Sport...)



Lets ask for a better supra.

The specs are fine but those specs to price ratio is like honda releasing a S2000 as a crossover.

This car would be perfectly fine as a 40k variant if they stripped the safety features like parking assist and cameras on each side. Who buys a two door sports coupe for top of the line safety features? Not saying it can't reach five stars in safety features but the point still stands that leave it bare as it is a driver's car for them to feel and play.

Toyota is fighting an uphill battle between making a sports car and going after potential buyers that want a prestige brand like BMW/Audi/Porsche. There has to be something to make someone shift over and money is a good way. Or make it such a great buy at the same price against these competitors that it'd be stupid not to side with toyota.

3100lbs, (335+???))HP, 300 (???)lb/ft Torque Potential Supra (50-55K)

VS

3300 Lbs, 335 HP, 369 lb/ft Torque (Unconfirmed) Supra (62.5k)

VS

2,944 lb(3,010 lb), 300HP, 280 lb-ft Torque Camyan base (PDK) (57-60k)

VS

2,988 lb,(3,054 lb) 350 hp, 309 lb-ft Torque Cayman S Manual (PDK) (67k)

Something's not adding up here

 

[Chikane]

My point also...

So much speculation and guessing...

Does anyone else feel that these type of comments may be intentional just to get us fired up and temporarily disappointed? Then later to be blown away when the final specs are released?

This emotional roll coaster is a bitch to ride...

Actually, in my opinion it's not even Toyota or anything to get us fired up and disappointed. I got a feeling it's just some random person claiming to be a valid source trying to poke a hornets nest.

Not saying it's Guff we're friends so I know he doesn't do awful shit like that, however... he's just the messenger.

I mean it could go either way, remember when someone with credible sources posted BRZ will be RWD and all the Subie bois got up in arms and tried to kill the guy with vape smoke and dirt from their Subarus.

TLDR you can't be on an emotional roller coaster if you don't have emotions about it. Or just don't ride it.

Stay strong y'all!

 

[Captain_Kirk]

The auto media is going to have a field day when they find this thread.

It has began lol.

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/06/new-toyota-supra-will-cost-63500-u-s-claims-source/

 

[ostatem3]

I'm hoping to be mind blown at release. But, I've already come to settle for 355/369 at 3250lbs

 

[ostatem3]

And here we go again, Toyota, fumbling again at the goal line. I hope this info is like the base model and the upper model is in the 400hp+ range.

Yikes, wait until you hear about the base model, lol!

 

[Guff]

It has began.

https://www.carscoops.com/2018/06/new-toyota-supra-will-cost-63500-u-s-claims-source/

 

[ostatem3]

But A70TTR said the weight was 3,050lbs. Also the guys from the dealer meeting said it has 350hp.

There are two b58 output motors out 335 hp or 355 hp both with 369 lb ft tq. I don't know why they would chose the 335 hp output. So many people reiterating facts we already know over and over again..... Also, the current rumor is they aren't using the B58 but I'll hold my breath on that one...It makes sense to come with the GRMN/M release model down the rode but who knows.

 

[Modal170]

Let us know how Toyota is handling the news.

 

[A70TTR]

There are two b58 output motors out 335 hp or 355 hp both with 369 lb ft tq. I don't know why they would chose the 335 hp output. So many people reiterating facts we already know over and over again..... Also, the current rumor is they aren't using the B58 but I'll hold my breath on that one...It makes sense to come with the GRMN/M release model down the rode but who knows.

part of part of my issue with this, aside from other parts, is the output and how its using B58 numbers as said. the new engine in the Supra uses an iron block and a new head and apparently has been tested to reliably hold 700hp. This was the design requirement Toyota issued to BMW; ensure the motor can handle extreme tuning (well, extreme in their eyes).

that said, why would the output of the new motor be the same as the B58? I think you would really have to try to get the figures to match considering nothing is common between them... granted, 350hp is what I was told the new motor makes atm.

Yet another piece to this puzzle is a US source tied to a VP said they requested the car make more power, to which (presumably) Tomoyama-san replied that he would speak to Tada in regards to.

I have more questions by the minute, but I'm trying my best to get answers without being super obvious. I did show this thread to a Japanese senior engineer on the Lexus side and he said cost vs performance did not look correct at all.

 

[Nurburgring]

Everyone surprised about this? Specs are in line with previous info (A70 already denied sub-3000lbs, 335-360hp was the expected output, 0-60 sounds about right)

and 62k for a fully loaded model

 

[Modal170]

part of part of my issue with this, aside from other parts, is the output and how its using B58 numbers as said. the new engine in the Supra uses an iron block and a new head and apparently has been tested to reliably hold 700hp. This was the design requirement Toyota issued to BMW; ensure the motor can handle extreme tuning (well, extreme in their eyes).

that said, why would the output of the new motor be the same as the B58? I think you would really have to try to get the figures to match considering nothing is common between them... granted, 350hp is what I was told the new motor makes atm.

Yet another piece to this puzzle is a US source tied to a VP said they requested the car make more power, to which (presumably) Tomoyama-san replied that he would speak to Tada in regards to.

I have more questions by the minute, but I'm trying my best to get answers without being super obvious. I did show this thread to a Japanese senior engineer on the Lexus side and he said cost vs performance did not look correct at all.

So what is a correct Cost Vs Performance?

Are we talking like toyota 86? Or was that a bit skewed as well?

 

[Chikane]

Yet another piece to this puzzle is a US source tied to a VP said they requested the car make more power, to which (presumably) Tomoyama-san replied that he would speak to Tada in regards to.

I'm hoping that this doesn't turn into an issue like the 86 where one team wants to increase the power while the other doesn't allow it. I got a feeling there may be back lash from BMW.

There are also sometimes deals that are puzzling. For example the Abarth 124 isn't sold here in the full capacity as Europe because here Mazda made it so that they can't out do the Miata Club. However, the Miata Club in Europe isn't as well equipped in part of Europe as the 124. Vice versa. I'm unsure if this still hold true but that was my theory so don't quote it 100%

 

[Nurburgring]

Everyone surprised about this? Specs are pretty much in line with previous info. A70 already denied sub-3000lbs, so weight should be close, and 335-360hp was the expected output. I’m guessing most were suprised by the 62k price for a fully loaded model, which does not sound completely insane.

I do not believe those specs are correct.
I do believe final specs will not be far off.

My guess is 3200lbs, 380hp, USD 58k, performance on par with Cayman S. Forget a GTR for Sentra money, not going to happen.

 

[Modal170]

I'm hoping that this doesn't turn into an issue like the 86 where one team wants to increase the power while the other doesn't allow it. I got a feeling there may be back lash from BMW.

There are also sometimes deals that are puzzling. For example the Abarth 124 isn't sold here in the full capacity as Europe because here Mazda made it so that they can't out do the Miata Club. However, the Miata Club in Europe isn't as well equipped in part of Europe as the 124. Vice versa. I'm unsure if this still hold true but that was my theory so don't quote it 100%

What I'm confused about is if Toyota and BMW have already come to an agreement about what's expected of their cars and not to cannibalize one another, where does the line end? The prototype Z4 is 50 grand or so with 382 HP. How can this cost ten thousand dollars more and offer less in that regards?

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