Gen 7 2024 Ford Mustang

[KahnBB6]

On my Jeep forum, this exact subject came up and it was determined that it's as easy as disconnecting an antenna wire on the back of the head unit.

There you go. I am sure there is some alternative method for issuing software or firmware updates at a dealer with a physical cable if something is absolutely necessary for safety reasons.

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[PerformanceSound]

Increasingly I've been interested in learning about disabling all wireless functionality in a newer car entirely so as to just halt OTA updates entirely. Warranty-voiding and it would have risks I'm sure but depending on how silly it gets (including with subscription fees for features already built into the car you own) this might be a new thing in the enthusiast car world going forward.

This is why I became a software developer. I knew years ago that one day every aspect of our everyday lives would be somehow controlled by computers. You want to hear something wild....imagine every car having a "digital signature" unique to that vehicle that is tied directly to your registration, and certain states mandating GPS speed limit laws based on your vehicles digital signature that instead of a police officer stopping you and giving you a ticket....you get one sent directly to your registered email if you go over the posted speed limit in certain states. Sounds crazy huh, just wait.

Also, I will say that the more "digitized" the automotive industry becomes, the more "tinkering" you can do if you know what you are doing.

 

[KahnBB6]

This is why I became a software developer. I knew years ago that one day every aspect of our everyday lives would be somehow controlled by computers. You want to hear something wild....imagine every car having a "digital signature" unique to that vehicle that is tied directly to your registration, and certain states mandating GPS speed limit laws based on your vehicles digital signature that instead of a police officer stopping you and giving you a ticket....you get one sent directly to your registered email if you go over the posted speed limit in certain states. Sounds crazy huh, just wait.

Also, I will say that the more "digitized" the automotive industry becomes, the more "tinkering" you can do if you know what you are doing.

GPS speed limit laws and auto speed limiters I have been aware of yes. But the personalized digital signature aspect is a new heads up for me.... although it does make sense in a really nasty way.

If curbing speeding by using the vehicles themselves to do it is the goal then why not just program them to automatically never exceed the speed limit that is detectable via GPS markers? That would be very annoying especially when a major multi-lane highway is built for 70-80mph but is only rated at 50mph but it would make more logical sense... that is until the want for more local revenue from speeding tickets are factored in.

This would create new requirements for companies like AEM and others who offer aftermarket ECUs for gasoline and EV cars alike and might possibly affect the hobbyist EV conversion community as well.

Not to mention how it might also bump against the Right To Repair movement if unique digital signatures in our newest cars start affecting the ability to swap OEM parts from the same model or aftermarket parts without the ECU and software disabling functionality in a very Apple-like fashion.

(A big reason why I am increasingly interested in full aftermarket programmable ECU and software replacement for some future EVs).

That would mean that manually disconnecting your car's GPS/wireless to lock out OTA updates among other things would run afoul of these requirements.

No, none of this sounds surprising... just a bit overzealous and unnecessary.

Built in anti-DUI passive ignition interlock systems I'm okay with.

Distracted driving (mostly from touchscreen phone use)... that's another one that needs more attention, perhaps by making the phones themselves detect when they are being attempted to be used by a driver while the vehicle is in motion and totally lock out all functions until the vehicle has stopped. Apple's efforts to this so far aren't really strong enough but if they actually took major and meaningful steps to this end they would upset a lot of iPhone owners and probably lose market share. And to that I say... yes... and do it anyway. That's something Apple, Samsung, et al can do more about right now without any involvement from car companies.

Those two issues I can see as being far more important to focus on for better road safety than mandating your vehicle's GPS have a unique digital signature tied to your vehicle registration for the purpose of having the car send out a signal indicating you went 5mph over the speed limit so as to land you a ticket citation right in your email inbox the following morning.

We'll see how it all goes.

 

[PerformanceSound]

GPS speed limit laws and auto speed limiters I have been aware of yes. But the personalized digital signature aspect is a new heads up for me.... although it does make sense in a really nasty way.

If curbing speeding by using the vehicles themselves to do it is the goal then why not just program them to automatically never exceed the speed limit that is detectable via GPS markers? That would be very annoying especially when a major multi-lane highway is built for 70-80mph but is only rated at 50mph but it would make more logical sense... that is until the want for more local revenue from speeding tickets are factored in.

This would create new requirements for companies like AEM and others who offer aftermarket ECUs for gasoline and EV cars alike and might possibly affect the hobbyist EV conversion community as well.

Not to mention how it might also bump against the Right To Repair movement if unique digital signatures in our newest cars start affecting the ability to swap OEM parts from the same model or aftermarket parts without the ECU and software disabling functionality in a very Apple-like fashion.

(A big reason why I am increasingly interested in full aftermarket programmable ECU and software replacement for some future EVs).

That would mean that manually disconnecting your car's GPS/wireless to lock out OTA updates among other things would run afoul of these requirements.

No, none of this sounds surprising... just a bit overzealous and unnecessary.

Built in anti-DUI passive ignition interlock systems I'm okay with.

Distracted driving (mostly from touchscreen phone use)... that's another one that needs more attention, perhaps by making the phones themselves detect when they are being attempted to be used by a driver while the vehicle is in motion and totally lock out all functions until the vehicle has stopped. Apple's efforts to this so far aren't really strong enough but if they actually took major and meaningful steps to this end they would upset a lot of iPhone owners and probably lose market share. And to that I say... yes... and do it anyway. That's something Apple, Samsung, et al can do more about right now without any involvement from car companies.

Those two issues I can see as being far more important to focus on for better road safety than mandating your vehicle's GPS have a unique digital signature tied to your vehicle registration for the purpose of having the car send out a signal indicating you went 5mph over the speed limit so as to land you a ticket citation right in your email inbox the following morning.

We'll see how it all goes.

Say goodbye to freedom as we know it. It's already in the works in Europe:

https://road-safety.transport.ec.eu...e/esafety/intelligent-speed-adaptation-isa_en

"They" say it's for safety, but just like everything "they" say....it ends up stripping our free rights.

 

[digicidal]

It should say under "other benefits":

The ability to practically disable all access to certain areas at the discretion of governing bodies or the hackers that compromised their systems.

Honestly that sounds like a nightmare just in the context of the past 5 years... between lockdowns and grid vulnerabilities - I have no faith in this not being abused somehow. The only question is whether the abusers are "official" or not.

Interesting to see how the implementation of level 2 and 3 would go... suddenly increasing pedal resistance seems problematic in some ways... but cutting fuel could be much worse. Let me guess, if you buy enough carbon offsets you can get a "free pass" for your car?

However, being the asshole I am... I would find it entertaining printing out speed limit signs like this and pasting them over existing signs near government buildings:

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[PerformanceSound]

It should say under "other benefits":

The ability to practically disable all access to certain areas at the discretion of governing bodies or the hackers that compromised their systems.

Honestly that sounds like a nightmare just in the context of the past 5 years... between lockdowns and grid vulnerabilities - I have no faith in this not being abused somehow. The only question is whether the abusers are "official" or not.

Interesting to see how the implementation of level 2 and 3 would go... suddenly increasing pedal resistance seems problematic in some ways... but cutting fuel could be much worse. Let me guess, if you buy enough carbon offsets you can get a "free pass" for your car?

However, being the asshole I am... I would find it entertaining printing out speed limit signs like this and pasting them over existing signs near government buildings:

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I agree, there should be no place for this type of intervention in automobiles. This initially started as feature downloads service several years back (i.e., remote starter through subscription, Over the Air GPS maps updates, etc...) and has since taken on a whole different purpose. Why do you think every component of a ICE car is becoming electric (i.e., drive by wire, electric steering, electric braking, electric gauges, safety sensors, etc...)...it's to make that transition much easier. It's crazy I know, and this is why I still prefer the older 90's cars to the new offerings even though the new stuff is feature packed and safer in crash ratings....I just like knowing that I (the person who paid money to buy it) am in control of my car and not someone else.

 

[RenRed2]

Shocking Ford and 'quality' not doing well with new Mustang. Even here in Europe Ford is low quality overall.

https://jalopnik.com/2024-ford-mustang-production-slowdown-quality-issues-1850415170

 

[XtremeMaC]

Shocking Ford and 'quality' not doing well with new Mustang. Even here in Europe Ford is low quality overall.

https://jalopnik.com/2024-ford-mustang-production-slowdown-quality-issues-1850415170

They only have SUV and Truck engineers left. Of course Mustang will have issues. Mach-E should be doing great at this point. Oh shit, no? Ok then Trucks are fine, right? Oh damn, it's electrified now. So, no. ?

 

[gixxersixxerman]

Shame, my 18 Mustang was great quality wise besides the trash 6speed manual. I still think if I would've got the A10 id still have the car as overall I really liked it. Sucks to see the Camaro go away, Mustang having issues. the Challenger/Charger going away... With out competition there won't be any future better sports cars as people will move on to SUV's and trucks.

 

[MisterSkiz]

I mean - I guess its good they caught all these things before they got delivered to customers...quality is paramount.

 

[KahnBB6]

Sucks to see the Camaro go away, Mustang having issues. the Challenger/Charger going away... With out competition there won't be any future better sports cars as people will move on to SUV's and trucks.

I don't think an absence of future better sportscars would make those interested in them move to SUVs or trucks.

It will just make those people have to work harder maintaining and retrofitting increasingly older model sportscars that fit their criteria.... which definitely isn't provided in an SUV or pickup truck.

The mass buyers who purchase SUVs and pickups anyway will always buy those.

 

[gixxersixxerman]

I don't think an absence of future better sportscars would make those interested in them move to SUVs or trucks.

It will just make those people have to work harder maintaining and retrofitting increasingly older model sportscars that fit their criteria.... which definitely isn't provided in an SUV or pickup truck.

The mass buyers who purchase SUVs and pickups anyway will always buy those.

I kinda get what you are saying, but when there isn’t a product, you move on to what’s there. Example, Ford dropped the Fusion and Mazda dropped the Mazda 6. My fiancé wants a new car. Since her 2 main choices are now gone and she doesn’t want an Accord, Camry or Maxima, (Maxima is just out of what she wants to pay and the Accord and Camry don’t hold a candle to her previous 6 or her current 3) looks like she is getting a new CX5. If they still made the 6 she would for sure gotten one of them.

when someone wants new and there are no new sports cars to pick from, then they go to the sportiest thing they can. Whether it be electric or “sporty suvs and trucks” most don’t want older cars to fix up. Some do.. it’s just a shame that we are getting to the point where these cars are gone. In a couple years you’ll have the S650 Mustang and what?? Z?? The 86 would be there but that’s a step down for me. I guess maybe a Porsche? That’s not in the budget of many. M2 is there, M3 is up there in price. C8 is around. I can’t think of any other sports cars off the top of my head.

 

[Supra93]

2024 Mustang RTR Spec 2 Closeup Walkaround by Town and Country Ford

https://www.mustang7g.com/forums/th...p-walkaround-by-town-and-country-ford.157145/

 

[B58_ hwAyaq]

I kinda get what you are saying, but when there isn’t a product, you move on to what’s there.
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when someone wants new and there are no new sports cars to pick from, then they go to the sportiest thing they can.
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In a couple years you’ll have the S650 Mustang and what?? Z?? The 86 would be there but that’s a step down for me. I guess maybe a Porsche? That’s not in the budget of many. M2 is there, M3 is up there in price. C8 is around. I can’t think of any other sports cars off the top of my head.

Give it some time. The next generation of sports/sporty cars will come around in due time if gov regulations don’t completely interfere. If it’s up to the consumers with discretionary income, there will be OEMs happy to build a new trim or a new platform for customers looking for shenanigans.

When every sporty EV can hit 0-60 in <= 3 seconds, automakers will have to set their product apart in other ways.

There may be a lull. Just enjoy the cars you mentioned. When the wave comes back around, we’re likely in for a treat.

 

[Supra93]

Official: Dark Horse R Mustang Race Car Teased with Reveal Coming July 27!

https://www.mustang7g.com/forums/th...car-teased-with-reveal-coming-july-27.157328/

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