Stealership back at it, Used, 45th anniversary AT.

[BMWAF]

Dont bother with this geezer he bought a car he hated from the very beginning even before ownership and still does.

Partially true I suppose. I was initially pretty disappointed with some of the goofy design choices but through coding and some after market parts things are much better. Not that you care but I recently added an AWE exhaust which has completely changed the car for me, so your last clause is wrong at any rate.

I guess the issue here is that I just refuse to subscribe to blind brand loyalty and refuse to excuse poor design choices in products of any company.. including everyone's beloved Toyota Motor Corp.

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[FLtrackdays]

Just like anything in life, sure there's a price tag and then there's emotional ties, what's an item is worth to the individual.... Especially if they can afford it. It's all relative to your way of life and choices you can afford to make. These are not cheap toys and I agree it is a good buy, at any price of what the individual wants to pay. I too did complain per initial mark ups, but find a dealer that will work with you, special editions deserve special edition pricing, it is what it is.

For less that $10k you can make this car incredible on track. For $20k, oh my 🫣 So yes from my perspective, it doesn’t make sense. However, if you want it to sit in your garage and talk about it’s uniqueness, that’s cool. Most people on here drive their cars or really appreciate a good driving experience. Assuming three types of car buyers:

1) car takes you from point A to point B crowd (most people)
2) car collectors - sure looks purdy in it’s original state - let’s talk about it’s potential
3) serious car enthusiasts, car nuts, feel like a kid when you get in the right vehicle, get on this forum almost daily and still talk to fellow car lovers about your obsession

As you may have guessed, I fall in the no. 3 category. I used to think about what potential this car has. And now I know this bad boy can easily exceed expectations. It can drive way beyond it‘s pay grade. But I do get your perspective. Glad you too are appreciating her

 

[WarpDriveKid]

No i dont mean you lol, your aussie pal was who i was referring too

I was wondering... but on here ya never know. Lol

 

[AutoDelight]

Lets not all forget about the heritage of the Supra and pay respects to the all mighty Celica. Thank the all mighty loins of the Celica!!!!!

 

[jtsang25]

If Toyota could do a good interior the GR/ GRMN Yaris, GR Corolla, and GR 86 wouldn't have such a basic interior.

 

[jchadwell]

For less that $10k you can make this car incredible on track. For $20k, oh my 🫣 So yes from my perspective, it doesn’t make sense. However, if you want it to sit in your garage and talk about it’s uniqueness, that’s cool. Most people on here drive their cars or really appreciate a good driving experience. Assuming three types of car buyers:

1) car takes you from point A to point B crowd (most people)
2) car collectors - sure looks purdy in it’s original state - let’s talk about it’s potential
3) serious car enthusiasts, car nuts, feel like a kid when you get in the right vehicle, get on this forum almost daily and still talk to fellow car lovers about your obsession

As you may have guessed, I fall in the no. 3 category. I used to think about what potential this car has. And now I know this bad boy can easily exceed expectations. It can drive way beyond it‘s pay grade. But I do get your perspective. Glad you too are appreciating her

Sometimes I wonder if we are related and just don’t know it. It seems like 99% of your posts are exactly what I’m thinking.
You and are are both firmly in group 3 although I no longer have a desire to do HPDEs and now stick to AX.

What I love about this car, other than its incredible performance, is the massive bang for the buck. When I purchased mine in late 2020 big discounts were around. I got close to $7000 off and paid a little less than $51,000. At the time I cross shopped a C8 which would have been minimum $30000 more expensive. I also had three available (yellow was the only option for me) within a couple hundred miles. One of my AX friends went the C8 route. Two years later his car was delivered and he had to pay $100,000 full sticker.
His car was effectively twice as much as mine and with just camber plates, Z4 springs, an AA DP, and JB4 we run basically identical AX times. It’s course dependent. Sometimes I’m a few tenths ahead, sometimes he is.
This is just the best performing car you can find for the money IMO. The fact that I like the looks so much is just icing on the cake. You literally have to spend nearly twice the money or more to get more performance.
Long live that Celica DNA!!

 

[AutoDelight]

If Toyota could do a good interior the GR/ GRMN Yaris, GR Corolla, and GR 86 wouldn't have such a basic interior.

Granted in the very base level of it... we're talking about a Yaris and Corolla... When did we ever here about those two vehicles having a "premium" interior. When it came down to it, the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolutions were in all respects just Lancers and their interior reflected that. Sure we got Recaro seats and words like "Evolution" on the gauge cluster but it is still a Lancer.

In all realism, a more premium interior puts vehicles in a different price range. I'm sure there are people who will pay an extra $5k to $10k for a more premium interior for some of the GR cars but the basis of those cars are not premium at all. Only so much you can work with.

 

[jtsang25]

Granted in the very base level of it... we're talking about a Yaris and Corolla... When did we ever here about those two vehicles having a "premium" interior. When it came down to it, the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolutions were in all respects just Lancers and their interior reflected that. Sure we got Recaro seats and words like "Evolution" on the gauge cluster but it is still a Lancer.

In all realism, a more premium interior puts vehicles in a different price range. I'm sure there are people who will pay an extra $5k to $10k for a more premium interior for some of the GR cars but the basis of those cars are not premium at all. Only so much you can work with.

The GR/GRMN Yaris was a bespoke model. The body isn't even from the regular yaris. It also costs 60k+. I'd expect a bespoke quality interior in that.

GR models are suppose to be a cut above regular toyotas. Like M cars and AMG cars are to BMW and Mercedes.

 

[AutoDelight]

The GR/GRMN Yaris was a bespoke model. The body isn't even from the regular yaris. It also costs 60k+. I'd expect a bespoke quality interior in that.

GR models are suppose to be a cut above regular toyotas. Like M cars and AMG cars are to BMW and Mercedes.

You are correct to an extent and i don't disagree for the most part that it would be nice for those models to have bespoke interiors but other bespoke models do not add to much to their interiors as well. Going back to the example of the Lancer Evolution, Impreza STI and calling back to the old school VR-4 models from Mitsubishi or even Mazdaspeed and Nismo models. Heck, even TRD and Type R models as well didn't have much differences than their mainline counterparts. Usually seats, shift knob, gauge cluster were the changes to the interior.

M cars and AMG cars are on a whole different level as their price range goes towards the 6 figures mark. With GR models, I can understand to try to keep them more affordable.

Going to the other side of the spectrum, you pay 6 figures for a Porsche and you get a full list of bespoke parts including embosed arm rest and custom illuminated door sills.

I think each has their price points and depends on what the company wants to keep to their price point to still make it unique but for the masses.

And don't get me wrong, i do not disagree with you at all, i would love more bespoke interiors for these models but realistiaclly speaking, i doubt it would happen. The Morizo GR Corolla is as bespoke as you can get with the rear seat deletion. I think that's something. The only thing I really wish for was that the A91 had a number on the passenger side trim and my refraction blue had the blue seat belts with it. Dreams.

 

[Rensuhlo]

The interior is very driver centric. The dominant gauge is a tachometer. Things used more often are tactile.

simple overall. No weird multi tier patterns or the like. Have you seen a modern Lexus interior? It’s a mess.

The fact that you keep grasping onto a car design from 30 years ago is enough for anyone to understand your stuck in the past. Anyone that is stuck in the past like that is just so boring.

I don't have any value to add to this, but I wanted to give you shit in some way.

you're*

 

[zrk]

We all know the MKV is a BMW with JDM on top for the most part.

No it doesn't. I don't understand why we have to go over this so many times on this forums lol. I've never seen any other places so confused.

JDM - Japanese Domestic Market. JDM cars are designed, released, and sold in japan. They follow Japanese safety standards, emissions standards, and crash ratings. They are typically RHD.

USDM - United States Domestic Market. A Camry is not necessarily JDM car, neither is a GTR, or a RX-7. There are of course JDM cars in the US, it is completely legal to import a car with a different domestic market into the united states.

The country of manufacture has absolutely zero to do with JDM v USDM.

 

[WarpDriveKid]

No it doesn't. I don't understand why we have to go over this so many times on this forums lol. I'e never seen any other places so confused.

JDM - Japanese Domestic Market. JDM cars are designed, released, and sold in japan. They follow Japanese safety standards, emissions standards, and crash ratings. They are typically RHD.

USDM - United States Domestic Market. A Camry is not necessarily JDM car, neither is a GTR, or a RX-7. There are of course JDM cars in the US, it is completely legal to import a car with a different domestic market into the united states.

The country of manufacture has absolutely zero to do with JDM v USDM.

I totally appreciate your intent in going through the info that most of those into domestic and imported cars should already know. But the term JDM as most here I believe understood the application in which I was referring to. I'm going to give my fellow Supra owners more credit than your offering. Then again, maybe you're right... So I'll say, thanx Wikipedia Jones.

 

[EddieNel]

I hope people are in line waiting to pay that price for that anniversary edition. I love my Supra. I love the way it drives and handles and the power to weight ratio. I really love that my buddy paid $150k for zo6 corvette and my $56k car gets more attention then his does. I really like that my $56k car hangs with his $150k car all day long and theirs not one on every corner like his. Oh wow another corvette. Yep seen 10 today. OH WOW!!! IS THAT A SUPRA???? YUP!

 

[BMWAF]

Type R models as well didn't have much differences than their mainline counterparts. Usually seats, shift knob, gauge cluster were the changes to the interior.

Yes but Type R interiors are generally great. Maybe that's because Honda just tweaks an already pretty solid interior.. and add a lot of red.

Incidentally, you've accidentally highlighted the problem: Starting with a base Toyota. When a 3 year old BMW interior > every other current model Toyota interior, you have a problem. As they say around here, you can't polish a turd.

Is the current Type R interior better than the Supra? Probably not, but I think it's at least debatable. By contrast, I think claiming that the 86, Yaris or Corolla interior is better than the Supra is flat out indefensible.

The Morizo GR Corolla is as bespoke as you can get with the rear seat deletion. I think that's something.

Umm.. a seat deletion might improve power to weight ratios but it is unlikely to make an interior better.

 

[Cptnslo]

lol just saw this posted on the Supra subreddit for a NISMO Z in LA

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