Supra Manual : "A future classic " ????

[White Shadow]

I agree either gear box....the amount of people in 20 year that know how to drive a manual will be the issue

That's not an issue. 20 years from now, there will still be lots of people who know how to drive manual transmission cars.

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[White Shadow]

The last car listed in Doug's video is the manual Supra......mine will have 100K miles on it and sits outside , so it will not be a garage queen! Intersting list of cars to say the least. My neighbor has the exact electric blue backhawk six speed. I gave that car a serious look since it had a maual but I was done with Chevy. I never had BMW before. oops Toyota Supra.

Any manual transmission sports/sporty car will be a future classic, thanks to the demise of manual transmission vehicles.

I'm curious to know if manual transmission cars will die before ICE cars in general die. I'm inclined to think ICE will be around longer, but who knows for sure....

 

[AJRMKV]

It’ll be a classic for sure. The bigger concern is, how many shops will know how to do serious work on them lol. Even the Toyota dealership doesn’t have much of a clue now.

Most bmw shops will.

The transmission isn’t rocket science. I’m not too worried about it

 

[BrodoFratgins]

The amount of "OH, IT'S A STICK!?" when people look inside my car leads me to believe it'll be a classic lol.

Semi-related, but shortly after I first got mine I took it to a Cars and Coffee meet. Some younger guy popped his head in the window, popped back out to his friend and said "Oh it's just an automatic".

Dude I even have a bright metal aftermarket shifter, how did you miss it that badly?

 

[bk5]

I actually disagree about the LC500. I genuinely think it's going to be roughly as desirable as the SC430 is. Both were pretty good looking old lady cars with lackluster performance and handling(for the era, relative to price), but nice V8s and amazing interiors. If you read contemporary reviews of the SC, they mirror what people say about the LC: phenomenal V8, good looks, the interior is an exceptional place to be, while performance is okay and very Lexus.

I think the GRC will hold its value in the future, regardless of new generations. It will be like 2004 STIs. Even though a 2020 STI isn't that different from a 2004, the 2004s are worth more in good condition.

I'm not super convinced the Demons will be that desirable. I just think the Challenger as a brand is just too diluted and owners of Demons have Corvette-syndrome, where most of them are kept in climate controlled garages with the expectation that they will be worth millions in 20 years. Also, I personally think Dodge overrated the cars, since so many owners have trouble getting close to the "certified" figures, and I think this will catch up with the cars and hurt their image. People want cars that claim to make 382HP but really make 450HP, not the other way around.

I also agree that future drivers won't see manuals as desirable as millennials do today. They didn't grow up with manuals and automatics today are quite competent.

To add to the list, I think the Tesla performance cars will be future classics, especially the Plaids, but also the M3P.

 

[GRMan]

I agree either gear box....the amount of people in 20 year that know how to drive a manual will be the issue

Not sure about the US but most young blue collar tradies in Australia started off driving manual pickups. That's all they can afford, a 25 years old manual Isuzu, Mitsubishi or Toyota pickups. Kids that are 16 now (many going into the workforce at this age, full time or part time) will only be 36 in 20 years. In 50 years when they are retiring there will still be a demand for manuals. I am not even mentioning the number of young people driving heavy vehicles which most are manual only.

Another thing is EV does not work in the blue collar industry because nobody wants to sit around for a minimum of 30 minutes (assuming no waiting for a charger) to charge up. Commutes are frequent and long distance and there is no charger on site most of the time. Every minute is money. White collar people sitting up in their fancy office or in their little country think that EV is the one for all carbon neutral solution do not have a grasp of reality.

 

[SupraGTS]

The answer is unfortunately, no. There won't be anyone left that knows how to drive a manual transmission. Without the cheap entry level manual cars for new drivers to drive and learn, the transmission will just become a relict of the past.

No chance. People still learn how to play guitar and piano despite the fact you can make music on your laptop. Just like those that still choose to use Film instead of digital photography.

Learning manual in the future will be something people do to connect with the past. It'll be a skill people intentionally set out to learn, just like a musical instrument or even riding a horse.

It is true there will be a small number of people with this interest. It is also true that it will be an even smaller number of cars left. Less supply than demand, price goes up.

 

[Loco38SUP]

The answer is unfortunately, no. There won't be anyone left that knows how to drive a manual transmission. Without the cheap entry level manual cars for new drivers to drive and learn, the transmission will just become a relict of the past.

This is closer to reality than people realize. Newer generations are caring less and less about cars in general.

-RJM

 

[Loco38SUP]

Semi-related, but shortly after I first got mine I took it to a Cars and Coffee meet. Some younger guy popped his head in the window, popped back out to his friend and said "Oh it's just an automatic".

Dude I even have a bright metal aftermarket shifter, how did you miss it that badly?

I bet he couldn’t even drive a manual to boot.

-RJM

 

[Tacoma714]

The answer is unfortunately, no. There won't be anyone left that knows how to drive a manual transmission. Without the cheap entry level manual cars for new drivers to drive and learn, the transmission will just become a relict of the past.

I have no faith in the kids growing up wanting to learn manual let alone care about cars or be an enthusiast. The car enthusiast is a dying breed. Speaking for myself, my MKV is a business expense so I can have additional write offs on my taxes. I didn’t get one in the hopes it will one day appreciate as much or more than a MKIV. There is also no greater feeling that owning a car from day 1 and taking care of it into the future saying you are the original owner.

 

[bushido]

This is closer to reality than people realize. Newer generations are caring less and less about cars in general.

-RJM

not to argue but i can write a paragraph about this. from central to south florida, tons of kids are still in the car scene. for example, in my area, most M cars are driven by kids, not adults. 70% of a meet would be under 25, etc.

I have no faith in the kids growing up wanting to learn manual let alone care about cars or be an enthusiast. The car enthusiast is a dying breed.

must be an area thing

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was having this conversation the other day. unfortunately no one cares about the 99 Integra or rebuilt Rx7 that took 12 years to build anymore. a lot of cars come versatile for spirited or daily driving off the lot. "car shows" are filled with lowered car on polished wheels. that's just the sad reality of today's car culture.

car culture is alive but not as we know, or enjoyed, it

 

[johnnyskids]

I actually disagree about the LC500. I genuinely think it's going to be roughly as desirable as the SC430 is. Both were pretty good looking old lady cars with lackluster performance and handling(for the era, relative to price), but nice V8s and amazing interiors. If you read contemporary reviews of the SC, they mirror what people say about the LC: phenomenal V8, good looks, the interior is an exceptional place to be, while performance is okay and very Lexus.

I think the GRC will hold its value in the future, regardless of new generations. It will be like 2004 STIs. Even though a 2020 STI isn't that different from a 2004, the 2004s are worth more in good condition.

I'm not super convinced the Demons will be that desirable. I just think the Challenger as a brand is just too diluted and owners of Demons have Corvette-syndrome, where most of them are kept in climate controlled garages with the expectation that they will be worth millions in 20 years. Also, I personally think Dodge overrated the cars, since so many owners have trouble getting close to the "certified" figures, and I think this will catch up with the cars and hurt their image. People want cars that claim to make 382HP but really make 450HP, not the other way around.

I also agree that future drivers won't see manuals as desirable as millennials do today. They didn't grow up with manuals and automatics today are quite competent.

To add to the list, I think the Tesla performance cars will be future classics, especially the Plaids, but also the M3P.

I don't think I agree with your take on the LC500, the SC430 while being in the same vein of car (luxury GT), they are quite different. The SC430 was not viewed as a good looking vehicle even when it first came out, the LC500 has been viewed as beautiful since day one. The SC430 had endless amount of competition from luxury brands, the LC's competition is less, especially when you factor in the naturally aspirated V8. Lastly, the LC500 sounds amazing, the SC never had that.

I think the Challengers will be desirable classics due to their style, HP figures, and sound. Not because they are really good at any one thing.

And your assertion that performance Tesla's will be future classics, I doubt it. Mainly because they have a shelf life, at about the 10 year mark they are worth close to scrap. People aren't going to do what it takes to keep a Tesla on the road for 20+ years, which would likely mean replacing the battery at least once. They aren't really viewed as some beautiful vehicle, the interiors aren't all that special, so other than range and straight line speed, they don't offer much. In the future that range will likely look low and the straight line speed while certainly still competitive, won't be viewed as something truly special.

 

[bk5]

he SC430 was not viewed as a good looking vehicle even when it first came out,

I just looked up reviews from when it came out and repeated it here. C&D said,

We're not sure what had the greatest effect, but this new SC430 turns out to be the biggest head turner we've driven all year. Head turner? Listen, in Los Angeles, drivers blitz through traffic like bank robbers to get alongside this car.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15139219/2001-lexus-sc430-road-test-review/

The entire review is gushing over the design. There are plenty of other reviews online from when the vehicle came out. If you read them, everything they say applies to the LC500.

Attitudes about design often change over time. What's beautiful and contemporary can become garish and trite. The SC430 is a car of it's time - very retro-futurism. Just like the LC500 is a car of it's time - corporate grill and all.

 

[johnnyskids]

I just looked up reviews from when it came out and repeated it here. C&D said,



https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15139219/2001-lexus-sc430-road-test-review/

The entire review is gushing over the design. There are plenty of other reviews online from when the vehicle came out. If you read them, everything they say applies to the LC500.

Attitudes about design often change over time. What's beautiful and contemporary can become garish and trite. The SC430 is a car of it's time - very retro-futurism. Just like the LC500 is a car of it's time - corporate grill and all.

Top Gear voted it the worst car on sale in 2003.

So it wasn't universally liked, and as I stated, the competition in that period was a lot more and the SC was the ugly duckling of the bunch. The LC has few competition and the one's that are available are either a lot more money (like the Astons, Bentley GT, Porsche 911 etc) or aren't as good looking (BMW 8 series, Merc SL/GT), and none of them have a naturally aspirated V8.

 

[nosavingthrow]

I don't think any Telsa has a chance of being a classic in the traditional sense, although the 1st gen roadster will probably be a collectors car given its unique construction and very limited numbers. Honestly it might already be in that territory today - I see a grand total of 2 for sale nation wide on auto trader right now, and one is priced at 180K.

I guess the cybertruck could end up being a collectors car in the far future if they decide to discontinue production of it within a few years and don't replace it with anything similar style wise. Love it or hate it, that is certainly a unique looking vehicle and I wouldn't be surprised in 20 years if there is barely any of them still around.

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