šŸ‘£ Official: Toyota Announces Manual Transmission Supra!

Only interested if it comes in manual?


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All truth. But Vancouver Canada is probably not the only region that actually walked away from their annual emissions testing program. We had annual smog tests here for about 15 years and about 5 ago they completely shut it down because the average car on the road was now obd2 equipped, clean as a whistle and the program was costing us too much money to justify for the few cheaters it was still keeping off the road. Once electrics take over, no ones going to care what's under the hood of your dinosaur engine Supra.
Ontario also recently dropped its emissions testing. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it's legal to take a new car and go catless with it - if the cops pull you over for say a noisy exhaust or missing front plate you could be looking at a hefty fine once they discover what you've done.
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Ontario also recently dropped its emissions testing. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it's legal to take a new car and go catless with it - if the cops pull you over for say a noisy exhaust or missing front plate you could be looking at a hefty fine once they discover what you've done.
I wasn't implying do that. Same here, all the same stuff is legal as before but there is no process where you'd get in trouble if you had a swap, as long as you can pass a safety VI if you got one. I like air, run a cat.
 
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Didn't read many of the previous posts but I'll put my thoughts here. Please don't bash me if I say something idiotic :p

I believe Tada-San did mention that they were considering a performance model in the near future. The current GRMN models follow a certain pattern -- weight drop, slight power increase, manual transmission, aero, etc. The Mark X, albeit offered exclusively with an automatic transmission and that electronic button handbrake for all other models, received a manual transmission and an actual handbrake for the GRMN model. They have made these changes exclusively for that trim level.

BMW did announce that the Z4 may be offered in a manual transmission - correct me if I am wrong. The M2 and M240i which I think is in a similar class also offer a manual transmission.

I reckon that their partnership with BMW might jeopardize Toyota's chances of offering a manual. Otherwise, if they have reason to do all that for a Mark X, they have every reason to do it for the legendary Supra name.
 

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The Mark X, albeit offered exclusively with an automatic transmission and that electronic button handbrake for all other models, received a manual transmission and an actual handbrake for the GRMN model. They have made these changes exclusively for that trim level.
The Mark X uses a pedal-type cable-pull park brake not an electronic version. Most of the manual transmission components in the GRMN Mark X are lifted from the Lexus IS 6MT (including the pedals, transmission, hand brake, etc.). The automatic IS also used a foot pedal parking brake. The good news here is that Toyota was willing to put in the time and effort to develop the GRMN Mark X (albeit using already developed components) for a production run of only 100 cars in 2015 (now extended to an additional 250 for 2019). I suspect the GRMN Supra will likely have more produced (at least I hope), and with the components already developed for the Z4, it puts them into the same position they were in to use the manual transmission.

A manual is likely for the GRMN for sure. Adding to that the likelihood that it will still be using a B58, we will find ourselves with a publicly-available ECU/DME that exists for the Supra with a B58 and a manual. Pulling that factory software and calibration from a GRMN car and (assuming they use the same ECU) loading it onto an earlier Supra with a manual swap can possibly provide everything needed to convert non-GRMN cars into proper manual transmission models.

Many of the parts needed exist today, the remaining will likely be coming from Toyota/BMW. We will see some manual transmission cars one way or another. I hope it's done well, I know what it takes to do something like this and it can be done properly or it can be done shoddily.

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For this particular model, given what it is as a sports car and the demand for a manual already, it makes zero sense NOT to offer a manual until the Supra MKV needs to go hybrid for all but the niche trim levels (GRMN, etc) in later model years.

Jeff, your idea of pulling the code/parameters from a manual GRMN ECU is probably the only second best way to convert the early GR 6 cylinder cars to manual without having any electronic, sensor or emission test issues (for most states that have testing that is).

Toyota really needs to put a manual into volume production though, not just on the GRMN. It is a limited window anyway and this is their halo sports car, not a Camry or even a Corolla hatch (which offers a NEW manual for 2019...).

I can only understand their logic in being cryptic and stringing everyone along with the manual question if it is part of their plan TO rile people up who really want a manual version... and get them to be both vocal and vote with their wallets.

Though I am a bit confused as to how more people buying the auto-only Supra is going to do anything more than confirm to Toyota corporate that people wholeheartedly accept there being no manual available.

Do dealers note to the corporate offices every time they lose a potential sale on a Supra after a customer refuses to put a deposit down on a no-test-drives limited availability model because they made it abundantly clear that they refuse to buy or even put down their deposit unless there is a manual version available on the lot or to order?

Toyota keeps saying "we will sell a manual Supra if the demand is there". Okay... so for the actual customers who CAN buy this car, how is this demand gauged when the diehards will see that manuals are getting scarce as of 2019 and they would be more inclined to shrug and buy one *now* from Porsche, BMW, Ford, Chevy, etc.?

I hope they make the right decision. At the very least, Jeff, I hope the GRMN will have a stick so that we can pull its unique programming and cut and paste that into the automatic ECUs of regular GR Supras.

That still won't allow such conversions to be legal in CA unfortunately no matter how functionally correct they are but for everyone else it would hypothetically be a good second best solution.

Unless Toyota does add a manual to the GR option list, for CA customers who want a manual Supra it still seems like the only sure-fire options will be the very limited and expensive GRMN manual... or extremely risky and shady out of state registration for their manual-swapped MKVs.
 

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So this popped up on the Supra MKV Enthusiast FB Page..

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Sounds quite interesting. Itā€™s definitely a possibility. I think the 3 transmissions would be the current 8-speed Auto, a DCT, and a 6-speed manual transmission.

If the manual makes its way, hope itā€™ll make it to the 3.0-liter inline-6 version.
 
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I donā€™t know, people can talk the talk but will they walk the walk? I doubt the majority of them saying that would have considered the Supra in the first place.
I'll comment on this since I am one of the people in that boat.

I am the owner of 2015 FR-S, had always planned on upgrading after 4 years, and the new Supra was certainly something I had my eye on. The boat sank on two accounts. The first was cost - 70k CAD is out of my budget. Second was MT, which was a must for me. I'm picking up a '19 Camaro SS w/track package (and of course, manual) next weekend.

I'll say this on the whole situation. After hearing 4 years of whining about giving the twins more power, I don't want to hear any complaining about the cost. Every time a manufacturer gives a people what they want (86 was the affordable, light, RWD sports car everyone wanted) they find something else to whine about. Now the Supra is here with more power, and the components and price to go along with it - don't complain about the cost.

Where I do think the mistake was made is on the transmission. You're not going to sell a lot of 70k Toyota's, you just aren't and that's ok - this is a halo car, a brand ambassador. It therefore should embody the message you are sending your audience, and you're not doing that with a sole ZF auto transmission offering. This isn't a TT RS.
 

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Been in many a discussion with people over the manual option and it seems the default position is that car enthusiasts are not the ones whom manufacturers listen to when they design new models.
Manufacturers focus only on what will sell on the forecourts.

And it seems in the modern day the type of people who go out and buy brand new sports/GT cars are not car enthusiasts, the majority of them are car flippers, youtube fashion "look at me" types, and lease companies. So in their worlds its all about the 0-60 bragging figures and how one car stacks up against another - not to mention the draw of a limited production model that will gain collectible status that flippers will sell to buyers with no interest in driving and every interest in viewing the car simply as an asset.

Its a shame really, because the expectations for the MkV were set very high, given the drip feeding hype that Toyota leaked out over the years. They made it appear as if the MkV was for the enthusiast, but it seems the their financial department stepped in to focus only on sales figures.
This is not only seen with the omission of the manual gearbox but also on the very toned down 'hairdresser' looks of the production model in comparison to the FT-01.

The MkV will never likely become an evolution of the MkIV, because they've completely changed the platform, from a Sports GT to what they are calling a "pure sports car". But to at least allow it to become an enthusiast's car they need to offer a 6-speed manual.
 
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https://www.topgear.com/car-news/geneva-motor-show/revealed-future-new-toyota-supra#5

What about a manual gearbox?
So far itā€™s not in the offing. The 3.0-litre straight six is only available with the ZF eight-speed auto. Although BMW does produce that engine with a six-speed manual transmission, the suggestion from Tada-san is that Toyota wonā€™t follow suit: ā€œThe sports automatic version that [weā€™re] coming up with now is probably very different from the sports automatic cars that customers have in mind. Itā€™s a great evolution from what they have seen in the past.ā€

Then he went on to say, ā€œif they still feel that they need the manual version I hope to hear their feedback and voices after thisā€. Enough pestering might just get us a manual, then.

I suspect itā€™ll only be available with the 2.0-litre engine ā€“ as a way of lowering the entry sticker price, and perhaps on the GRMN ā€“ as a way of further separating Supra from Z4. Expect rev-matching software.
 

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I asked Toyota Germany if its a good idea to wait for a manual...
Their answer:
There are no Plans for a manual in the next two years, whats After that they canā€˜t Tell.
attached you find their answer in german.
That is so sad

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I asked Toyota Germany if its a good idea to wait for a manual...
Their answer:
There are no Plans for a manual in the next two years, whats After that they canā€˜t Tell.
attached you find their answer in german.
That is so sad

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While probably true (if a manual is in the works, it's at least a year away), they want to sell you a car today, not tell you to wait for a manual.
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