2020 Supra (A90) Reviews Compilation!

[kona61]

^^^So you're basically here to vent your frustration about the MKV because you don't agree with what Toyota did on a forum dedicated to the very same car? I'm a MKIV owner and joined forums here to keep up with mods etc...because I want to see how it will do. Do I wish Toyota did it differently yes but I won't come here just to make a point where the majority are actually fans of the car. Maybe start a anti MKV forum or bash elsewhere??

I got the name "Anti MKV MKIV Club".

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[BobDigi5060]

Well, I came here to follow along, with a community, the release of a new Supra. For as long as I've been into these cars (over 20 years), I still didn't get to be involved in something like this when the mk4 was released. I discovered it in 93 when it came out, but there was no internet like we have today back then and it certainly didn't have a drawn out prerelease anything like what we've gone thru in the last couple years (and I hadn't discovered the older cars at the time yet either). The pre release has been a lot of fun to follow along with everyone! Unfortunately the car is not quite what I was hoping for.

I guess the single biggest issue I have with the mk5, is they came so damn close. I'd like to be able to hate it and forget it, or to love it. But they did so much right but screwed up some things I'm really having trouble getting over. I'm at a point in life where I could swing buying one of these new. It's not in the long term budget, but damn it, I wanted Toyota to make a new Supra so damn good I would have to get one when I could still swing it. If I could buy a mk2 or mk4 new today, I would. So the car just frustrates me at this point, but I will keep an eye on it. Maybe in sub sequent model years they will fix a few of the things that bug me so much and the car will prove to be reliable and a big success and I'll just have to get one. I guess we'll see.

Mostly I hang around still just to he part of a Supra forum that is vibrant and hasn't been utterly destroyed by Facebook like all of the others. The software on this board is great too, makes it so easy to check in and out on my phone while commuting unlike the old boards.

Also, to antagonize people too of course

What bugs you about the car? Probably no manual I would assume.

I don't care for the diffuser/front lip or whatever it is on the front bumper, but it is a 2020 so I accept it might look a little boy racer. I just hate for us to go around in circles beating a dead horse over the partnership with BMW or no manual ATM. Seemed like you we're busting balls earlier in the week and I was compelled to join because well I like to bust balls to and dish out some banter alone with it.

Anyways I apologize I feel like I was being a little hostile, but I hate for the lot of us to continue to go around in circles, repeating, and nitpicking on a daily basis. I guess some of us, including myself, will have to accept that the car isn't universally accepted. Regardless, she is high on my wish list for next year. My G37 will be paid off by then and my wife will hand it over and buy herself a daily. My aunt bought two 300ZXs new and still has them both have well under 100k (86 NA and 92 TT), I'd like a Z of my own, but it be quite ridiculous to have a G35, G37, and a 370Z don't you think? All are outdated. Couldn't give up my awd G37 for a Z.

So I'm glad to be a part of the group too and I hope the community continues to thrive and grow. I appreciate your presence and look forward to the coming months and years I'll strongly consider a second model year if the quality is in our with the rest of the Toyotas and BMWs. I'm a fan of the B58.

 

[BobDigi5060]

^^^So you're basically here to vent your frustration about the MKV because you don't agree with what Toyota did on a forum dedicated to the very same car? I'm a MKIV owner and joined forums here to keep up with mods etc...because I want to see how it will do. Do I wish Toyota did it differently yes but I won't come here just to make a point where the majority are actually fans of the car. Maybe start a anti MKV forum or bash elsewhere??

He's got as much of a right to be here as the rest of us. But, you speak for many of us and let's not feed the troll. I hate for us to continue with this pissing contest nobody is going to change his opinion I'm going to do my best to ignore much of the disapproval on here. We all should.

 

[Bryster]

"I'm looking at you, Mr Harris!"

 

[Pheonix]

https://www.thedrive.com/opinion/28...a-is-the-bmw-sports-car-youve-been-asking-for

Here is the best review I've read on the car so far. Some key takeaways ;

The power delivery from BMW B58's turbocharged inline 6-cylinder engine is superb. And more generally, that it’s a great f-ing sports car. As for the ever-important and often amorphous enthusiast checklist of lightweight, fun to drive, and relatively cheap, the new Supra has every box ticked off.


Lightweight? The Supra’s 3,372-pound frame is a considerable 300 pounds lighter than BMW’s own M2, the Ford Mustang EcoBoost, and 100 pounds lighter than Chevrolet’s Camaro Turbo 1LE. Check. Fun to drive? According to Car and Driver, not only is it quicker to 60 mph than the BMW M2 Competition, Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE, and Ford Shelby GT350 Mustang, but based on those who’ve driven it, the Supra is more easily drifted than anything BMW or Toyota has come up with in years.

And it is widely accepted that the M2 is the current most fun BMW you can buy right now. Some food for thought there. Oh and the Supra is pulling 1.07 g. That is GT3 territory people.

I'd actually go a step further—and likely enrage those same online trolls—by saying that in my eyes, the new Supra is a true successor to BMW’s legendary and truly iconic E30 M3.

F*ck yeah. Bring on the trolls and haters like Chris Harris and Doug Demuro.

There’s no way to please everyone all of the time, but those vocal few who’ve wanted BMW to return to its roots need to take a long hard look at the Supra

Perfectly said. Chris Harris and everyone else complaining on how it's "just a BMW" can go f*ck off. It's a brand new sports car. Be happy you are getting that from Toyota instead of another crossover SUV or some electric car garbage. All it needs now is a manual

 

[Pheonix]

Back to your echo chamber gentlemen. Heaven forbid if someone expressed an opinion that contradicted your own.

Both myself, and Chris Harris, agree that it is a very good car. We just are having trouble with something with a Toyota emblem and Supra badge that doesn't feel like a Toyota. Slightly harder rear subframe bushings and an aggressive tune don't instantly make it Japanese. I get it, many don't care and are just happy to have the nameplate back. Others like myself who have owned 20 Supras plus many other Toys over the last few decades, feel like Toyota took the easy way out here. I waited to make up my mind till I saw the thing in person. I stood in front of it for half an hour at the car show... and felt nothing for it. Sorry, it will work for some, not others. You're welcome to like it and I hope it does well.

Sorry but who are you now? Have you driven the car? Are you a journalist? Were you invited to the press tour of the car with all the others who posted on YT? Or are you just comparing yourself to Chris Harris without even sitting in the car let alone having driven it?

 

[spamthechan]

https://www.thedrive.com/opinion/28...a-is-the-bmw-sports-car-youve-been-asking-for

Here is the best review I've read on the car so far. Some key takeaways ;

The power delivery from BMW B58's turbocharged inline 6-cylinder engine is superb. And more generally, that it’s a great f-ing sports car. As for the ever-important and often amorphous enthusiast checklist of lightweight, fun to drive, and relatively cheap, the new Supra has every box ticked off.


Lightweight? The Supra’s 3,372-pound frame is a considerable 300 pounds lighter than BMW’s own M2, the Ford Mustang EcoBoost, and 100 pounds lighter than Chevrolet’s Camaro Turbo 1LE. Check. Fun to drive? According to Car and Driver, not only is it quicker to 60 mph than the BMW M2 Competition, Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE, and Ford Shelby GT350 Mustang, but based on those who’ve driven it, the Supra is more easily drifted than anything BMW or Toyota has come up with in years.

And it is widely accepted that the M2 is the current most fun BMW you can buy right now. Some food for thought there. Oh and the Supra is pulling 1.07 g. That is GT3 territory people.

I'd actually go a step further—and likely enrage those same online trolls—by saying that in my eyes, the new Supra is a true successor to BMW’s legendary and truly iconic E30 M3.

F*ck yeah. Bring on the trolls and haters. And Chris Harris and Doug Demuro.

There’s no way to please everyone all of the time, but those vocal few who’ve wanted BMW to return to its roots need to take a long hard look at the Supra

Perfectly said. Chris Harris and everyone else complaining on how it's "just a BMW" can go f*ck off. It's a brand new sports car. Be happy you are getting that from Toyota instead of another crossover SUV or some electric car garbage. All it needs now is a manual

To be totally fair, this doesn’t sound like a review either- doesn’t sound like the author has actually driven it. It sounds more like an op ed based on what he has read on other sites.

 

[Blakbird]

He's got as much of a right to be here as the rest of us. But, you speak for many of us and let's not feed the troll. I hate for us to continue with this pissing contest nobody is going to change his opinion I'm going to do my best to ignore much of the disapproval on here. We all should.

True everyone has a right to be here I guess but this car is on it's way regardless and the complaining, whining and bitching has gotten old. Is this the future of this forum where the complainers will continue to make their presence known? I can only imagine when the first ones have issues as with any new product release and how they will salivate with excitement just to say I told you so. I personally hate the looks and size of the R35 GTR but I didn't join their forums to continually voice my displeasure about that. In the age of CUV's, ride share and pending driver less cars I'm happy to see a new Sports car released.

 

[justbake]

https://www.thedrive.com/opinion/28...a-is-the-bmw-sports-car-youve-been-asking-for


And it is widely accepted that the M2 is the current most fun BMW you can buy right now. Some food for thought there. Oh and the Supra is pulling 1.07 g. That is GT3 territory people.

F*ck yeah. Bring on the trolls and haters. And Chris Harris and Doug Demuro.

Perfectly said. Chris Harris and everyone else complaining on how it's "just a BMW" can go f*ck off. It's a brand new sports car. Be happy you are getting that from Toyota instead of another crossover SUV or some electric car garbage. All it needs now is a manual

This really goes to show that being able to write an automotive journal article doesn't qualify someone as a good driver. These reviewers will bring it up the 335hp power as a representation of performance yet ignore the car has similar torque numbers and can pull more lateral Gs on the skidpad as the universally praised GTR. There are just reading the stats off the back of the metaphorical baseball car and writing their script beforehand.

 

[Pheonix]

This really goes to show that being able to write an automotive journal article doesn't qualify someone as a good driver. These reviewers will bring it up the 335hp power as a representation of performance yet ignore the car has similar torque numbers and can pull more lateral Gs on the skidpad as the universally praised GTR. There are just reading the stats off the back of the metaphorical baseball car and writing their script beforehand.

That's exactly what Chris Harris does. Read specs and drift the car. He was entertaining when he was doing it on Youtube a few years ago. But once he came on Top Gear and brought that same formula, he clearly didn't fit in anymore. That Youtube style of making car videos doesn't work on Top Gear and for that reason, I hated watching him on the show. Plus he got really annoying. Matt Le Blanc was so much better than him. Hated the other guy Rory Reid too.

And good point on the GTR comment. I didn't even think of that. And to think this is just the base car. We are obviously getting a higher end/track version later down the line. And they are only going to improve the car from here on out so it will only get faster. And yet people will still complain on how it's a "hardtop Z4" LMAO.

 

[Half Vast]

Another article to add.

http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/why-toyota-didnt-build-its-own-supra/

 

[Rogue13]

https://www.thedrive.com/opinion/28...a-is-the-bmw-sports-car-youve-been-asking-for

Here is the best review I've read on the car so far. Some key takeaways ;

The power delivery from BMW B58's turbocharged inline 6-cylinder engine is superb. And more generally, that it’s a great f-ing sports car. As for the ever-important and often amorphous enthusiast checklist of lightweight, fun to drive, and relatively cheap, the new Supra has every box ticked off.


Lightweight? The Supra’s 3,372-pound frame is a considerable 300 pounds lighter than BMW’s own M2, the Ford Mustang EcoBoost, and 100 pounds lighter than Chevrolet’s Camaro Turbo 1LE. Check. Fun to drive? According to Car and Driver, not only is it quicker to 60 mph than the BMW M2 Competition, Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE, and Ford Shelby GT350 Mustang, but based on those who’ve driven it, the Supra is more easily drifted than anything BMW or Toyota has come up with in years.

And it is widely accepted that the M2 is the current most fun BMW you can buy right now. Some food for thought there. Oh and the Supra is pulling 1.07 g. That is GT3 territory people.

I'd actually go a step further—and likely enrage those same online trolls—by saying that in my eyes, the new Supra is a true successor to BMW’s legendary and truly iconic E30 M3.

F*ck yeah. Bring on the trolls and haters like Chris Harris and Doug Demuro.

There’s no way to please everyone all of the time, but those vocal few who’ve wanted BMW to return to its roots need to take a long hard look at the Supra

Perfectly said. Chris Harris and everyone else complaining on how it's "just a BMW" can go f*ck off. It's a brand new sports car. Be happy you are getting that from Toyota instead of another crossover SUV or some electric car garbage. All it needs now is a manual

Wow - thanks for posting, good read. I for one am glad this car exists and ticks many many boxes.

 

[Pheonix]

Another article to add.

http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/why-toyota-didnt-build-its-own-supra/

First of all that blue looks drop dead gorgeous. Wow. Not a fan of the white but I am torn between blue, dark grey, silver and the phantom matte silver when it comes to the colors of the car.

Now with that out of the way, what Tada says is so true. If they made their own engine, chassis, suspension and built the car from scratch, it wouldn't have been available for sale this year. And no way would have it cost $50k. It would have been easily $100k plus with a bepsoke engine, chassis, and platform. And Toyota would have a very hard time selling it. I mean look at the new NSX. Those things are sitting all over dealer's lots with insane price cuts and yet people aren't buying them. The partnership with BMW allowed them to release the car as quickly as possible with an affordable price tag enough for them to move cars off lots. Sure they will still lose money on it but not as much as they would've if they designed the car from the ground up. And it makes sense. The Supra, while a halo sports car as it stands right now, wasn't meant to be a $100k plus supercar or super sports car.

 

[Pheonix]

Wow - thanks for posting, good read. I for one am glad this car exists and ticks many many boxes.

Yup. The car is a much better drivers car than a M2...BMW's current best drivers car. That's saying a lot. It's certainly gonna be more fun than a M3/M4/M5/M6 since those have gotten way too heavy, big, bloated and filled to the brim with electronics where they aren't the drivers cars anymore like they used to be with the E30 M3 and E39 M5. Are those cars fast? Sure. But lack character IMO. Not to mention the Supra is more affordable and any M car. And to think this is just the base model. We are no doubt gonna get a hotter track version down the road. Like I said, all it needs is a 6 speed which I have no doubt is coming.

 

[Rogue13]

Yup. The car is a much better drivers car than a M2...BMW's current best drivers car. That's saying a lot. It's certainly gonna be more fun than a M3/M4/M5/M6 since those have gotten way too heavy, big, bloated and filled to the brim with electronics where they aren't the drivers cars anymore like they used to be with the E30 M3 and E39 M5. Are those cars fast? Sure. But lack character IMO. Not to mention the Supra is more affordable and any M car. And to think this is just the base model. We are no doubt gonna get a hotter track version down the road. Like I said, all it needs is a 6 speed which I have no doubt is coming.

In March this year I almost bought a M2 Competition, held of buying the BMW and bought a Toyota 86 to toy around with and track instead. I held of more so in anticipation of the new AMG 45S specs to be announced which didn't happen and hasn't official happened as yet .

However after the Supra launch it now feels like I dodged a bullet by not buying the M2 Comp and the Supra GTS has gone to the top of my list. This is due to Supra's performance and weight, which is built on a dedicated platform.

I am really looking forward to comparison reviews between the Supra, Cayman, M2C and A110 - I have a feeling while not besting the P-Car in handling dynamics the new Supra will put up a good showing in this segment.

And agree hot versions will be coming down the track.

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