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Seeing there are only 98 votes for MT... but a dedicated M/T thread could be a game changer 
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sorry I hadn't checked that when I wrote it, but doesn't change the outcome. 2500 is barely enough for even a new flavored gum.
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hopefully you're right. fingers crossed. Correct your mistakes Toyota!
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Make that 99 lol.Seeing there are only 98 votes for MT... but a dedicated M/T thread could be a game changer
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Bmw m division president comes out today saying m3/m4 will continue to have a manual. And he describes it perfectly.
“Manual is very important. The manual stick shift is not a performance-bringer, because an automatic transmission is just faster, you can ask any race driver. But it gives the vehicle character and I kind of compare it to people who love mechanical watches; it isn’t more precise and it doesn’t have any advantage at all but it’s a character feature. So is a stick shift.”
Come on Toyota! You can do it!
“Manual is very important. The manual stick shift is not a performance-bringer, because an automatic transmission is just faster, you can ask any race driver. But it gives the vehicle character and I kind of compare it to people who love mechanical watches; it isn’t more precise and it doesn’t have any advantage at all but it’s a character feature. So is a stick shift.”
Come on Toyota! You can do it!
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good luck lol
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Good luck to BMW or Toyota?
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Toyota right now has this window where they CAN make a manual fifth generation Supra happen. Much like the rest of the automotive world, at this moment in time they can still offer the option in the sports car and driver oriented models that make sense to offer it in.
But eventually that won't be the case once things go headlong into electrification. As vocal as I've been on championing manuals (and I am still a diehard and always will be) I can see that as being the final true impediment in the way of even offering manual sports cars, muscle cars and hot hatches where it really counts.
But we're not quite there yet as of 2019. Later we will be but right now we are not yet.
Toyota went to all this effort to actually make a new Supra that could be released before other regulations would have hampered what it is had they taken longer before finally releasing it. In that same vein, they really need to get a manual option completed and released while the MKV is still in production. People are expecting this.
It's already been said by at least one engineer that at least one spec of MKV Supra in manual (engine type unknown) is already developed and will be sold in RHD markets, primarily Japan. It won't be that difficult to make a LHD version of that.
And the chassis has been developed for it anyway as evidenced by the Europe-only BMW Z4 manual 2.0T model.
Come on, Toyota. The Supra is an irrational car. Give us the appropriate irrational transmission (manual) to go with it.
But eventually that won't be the case once things go headlong into electrification. As vocal as I've been on championing manuals (and I am still a diehard and always will be) I can see that as being the final true impediment in the way of even offering manual sports cars, muscle cars and hot hatches where it really counts.
But we're not quite there yet as of 2019. Later we will be but right now we are not yet.
Toyota went to all this effort to actually make a new Supra that could be released before other regulations would have hampered what it is had they taken longer before finally releasing it. In that same vein, they really need to get a manual option completed and released while the MKV is still in production. People are expecting this.
It's already been said by at least one engineer that at least one spec of MKV Supra in manual (engine type unknown) is already developed and will be sold in RHD markets, primarily Japan. It won't be that difficult to make a LHD version of that.
And the chassis has been developed for it anyway as evidenced by the Europe-only BMW Z4 manual 2.0T model.
Come on, Toyota. The Supra is an irrational car. Give us the appropriate irrational transmission (manual) to go with it.
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Throw enough money at something and it will happen, but even the C8 is DCT only.
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Hah I see you. Well here's hoping lol.
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The Corvette C8 not offering a manual is very disappointing in itself. Perhaps that has more to do with the actual market for Corvette buyers. Still, I believe a 21% manual take rate was the last recent figure? That is significant enough to have still offered it in manual. GM and Tremec did have their work cut out for them once the mid-engine configuration was chosen however.
The Supra and Z4 are both front engine RWD though. Much easier to install even an off the shelf manual from the M3 or M2 parts bin in this chassis. Clearly the roadblock to a manual Supra is not one of a technically limiting nature or one of simply not having an off the shelf stout manual transmission that can be installed. All of the major hardware needed to offer it already exists.
The Supra and Z4 are both front engine RWD though. Much easier to install even an off the shelf manual from the M3 or M2 parts bin in this chassis. Clearly the roadblock to a manual Supra is not one of a technically limiting nature or one of simply not having an off the shelf stout manual transmission that can be installed. All of the major hardware needed to offer it already exists.
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Could it be possible that Toyota and BMW are waiting for this potentially new transmission that will be in the new M3 and M4 to be available before adding it to the Supra and Z4?
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
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