Should Toyota Supra keep FT-1 2+2 configuration? Or lose backseats?

[Rotaryrunner]

I can't see any seats on these pictures

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[vb22]

I can't see any seats on these pictures

You can make out the outline of the passenger seat in the red box.

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

If even the seats are equal to the z4 seats then it is just a reskined z4 but with a fixed roof . Actually there was a z4 coupe by bmw in 2008 i think . In 2018 though the z4 coupe will have a toyota badge .

Fixed

2 Seater isnt so bad.

I don't mind a two seater either, less weight. Come on 2,900lbs curb weight!

 

[zigzagz94]

If even the seats are equal to the z4 seats then it is just a rebadged z4 but with a fixed roof . Actually there was a z4 coupe by bmw in 2008 i think . In 2018 though the z4 coupe will have a toyota badge .

Except with the Z4 you'll supposedly be able to get a manual, haha

 

[milkman2089]

No rear seats = more cargo space
I still think this will be a pretty good daily driver on top of a fun toy as well.

 

[DevonK]

No rear seats = more cargo space
I still think this will be a pretty good daily driver on top of a fun toy as well.

It'll have more storage than a Miata by far, and if it doesn't have the same strut bar cutting up the hatch area as the Z has, it will offer more useful luggage space than that car.

 

[Blupra]

OK, a two-seater could have benefits, like being a smaller car with a lighter weight... its just not for me. I have an S2000 that I'm keeping forever and I could make due with putting the kiddo in the back of a 2+2, but if I had two two-seaters, I would barely get to drive them. :/

 

[Haros]

2 seaters here equate to an instant insurance increase

 

[2JZ-No-Sh*t]

I can't see any seats on these pictures

Here's the critical area with greater brightness and contrast for a clearer view.

 

[tfoxyr]

i honestly dont understand why they chose to stray away from a loved recipe. The recipe is this : very capable engine , good chassis , relatively accessible , reliable and practical (here comes the 2+2) . These things were true until the first only fwd celica arrived . I believed the 86 was an indication that toyota was starting to get back into the game of sports cars but the constant denial to put forced induction into the car despite that this would do the car easier to mod and faster from the factory should have warned me that the supra would be one project that would compromise some things, for example to save weight the car was made smaller , no s**t if you make it smaller it will save weight it is common sense . sorry about the venting

 

[vb22]

2 seaters here equate to an instant insurance increase

Is that just in Canada? My neighbor that sales insurance told me here in the US its really base on age, gender, marriage status, driving history, and etc. vs the actual car itself.

 

[Haros]

Is that just in Canada? My neighbor that sales insurance told me here in the US its really base on age, gender, marriage status, driving history, and etc. vs the actual car itself.

Based on my province. ICBC is notorious for being shit. Its a crown corp, aka government run and it's the ONLY insurance. No private here expect for extras.

 

[gymratter]

here is a look at the E86 for comparison.

 

[DevonK]

Is that just in Canada? My neighbor that sales insurance told me here in the US its really base on age, gender, marriage status, driving history, and etc. vs the actual car itself.

I recently got quotes here in Toronto for 3 cars (annual rates, same level of coverage for all cars quoted):

2018 Honda Civic type R = $1254
2018 Nissan 370z = $1353
2018 Mazda Miata = $1196

So it's clearly not simply seat number that will differentiate rates for the same driver, engine power and I'd think most importantly the actuarial data on historical accident rates per model have an impact.

With a new car like the CTR claim rates must be estimated at first but as claims data comes in insurance rates can change in response. I recall that the rates for the FRS went up over a few years whereas the BRZ rates did not - probably because BRZ buyers trended older and likely drove more conservatively so had fewer accidents. If the CTR proves crash-prone I'd expect to see the rates come up to the Z's levels in a year or two.

I'd guess the Supra's rates will start off at about the Z's level, maybe a bit higher based on higher retail cost.

 

[Craigy]

Number of seats affecting insurance is a myth.

Insurance companies use actuaries to set the rates, aka people who use math and statistics to assess and estimate risk, expected claims, size of claims, etc.

Go get quotes on a Corvette vs a Civic R, Subaru Sti, etc. Corvette has two seats and way more horsepower, but is cheaper to insure because the old guys who drive them don't get into a lot of accidents.

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