All-new 2023 Nissan Z makes world debut!

[wheeliedub]

If you have to sell one to buy another you're doing it wrong.

Exactly… I like how people are tempted to do this on a car that isn’t out yet after buying a car that wasn’t out yet and then finding out it has some quirks that will take time to work out. That’s the definition of insanity right there. ?

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[RenRed2]

Nice car the new Z. Nicely designed and packaged. The reveal show was fun to see.

I had a 370Z. It was superb for all things. Drove it daily, winter, sun, rain etc. Great for road trips. Comfortable and superbly reliable. Was a good machine. Will test this new one for sure.

On road trip in Switzerland!

 

[MattPhantom]

other than it’s not Toyotas call… it’s ECM manufacturers being pushed to lock by the EPA. This will be an issue across all cars, not some.

If the only enjoyment you are getting out a car is based on whether it’s a manual car, are you really a car enthusiast? Or a manual enthusiast?

The first point is half right. The supra WAS tunable. I'm not buying that locking was an EPA change more than an oversight for a vehicle that was advertised as a tuners vehicle.

To the second point. Most enthusiast I know want a tunable manual vehicle. The bigger influence is the tunability with exceptions being make for the trans under the right circumstances (like the 2020 supra).

 

[wheeliedub]

The first point is half right. The supra WAS tunable. I'm not buying that locking was an EPA change more than an oversight for a vehicle that was advertised as a tuners vehicle.

To the second point. Most enthusiast I know want a tunable manual vehicle. The bigger influence is the tunability with exceptions being make for the trans under the right circumstances (like the 2020 supra).

The first part is fully right, the ECM is made by Bosche and it’s affecting cars MY21 and newer. A simple google search into this will turn up results showing it’s not just Toyota suffering from being locked out.

I hate to break it to you but sadly tuneability is being phased out thanks to the ever-increasing restrictions being imposed on auto manufacturers by the EPA. So it will come down to basing your enjoyment off transmission alone when it comes to new vehicles.

 

[zrk]

The first part is fully right, the ECM is made by Bosche and it’s affecting cars MY21 and newer. A simple google search into this will turn up results showing it’s not just Toyota suffering from being locked out.

I hate to break it to you but sadly tuneability is being phased out thanks to the ever-increasing restrictions being imposed on auto manufacturers by the EPA. So it will come down to basing your enjoyment off transmission alone when it comes to new vehicles.

The EPA doesn't have authority in other countries. I'd bet dollars to donuts this has nothing to do with tuning and a whole hell of a lot to do with self-driving cars and the money behind them. If it were really the EPA getting involved standalone ECUs would be much more heavily restricted.

 

[wheeliedub]

The EPA doesn't have authority in other countries. I'd bet dollars to donuts this has nothing to do with tuning and a whole hell of a lot to do with self-driving cars and the money behind them. If it were really the EPA getting involved standalone ECUs would be much more heavily restricted.

After researching it a bit more myself, you are correct. It does appear to be for security reasons and future self driving capabilities, at least in the case of BMW, Mini, and Chevrolet. I still foresee this being an issue on all cars since the future is pointing towards self-driving cars.

 

[MattPhantom]

Yeah so....there wasn't a need for an ecu change. It worked well in 2020 and early 2021.

 

[AutoDelight]

After researching it a bit more myself, you are correct. It does appear to be for security reasons and future self driving capabilities, at least in the case of BMW, Mini, and Chevrolet. I still foresee this being an issue on all cars since the future is pointing towards self-driving cars.

With EV's and Self Driving Cars moving towards being mainstream, I doubt that Tuning would even be a thing in 10 years on new cars. A mix of proprietary software, manufacturers will be heavily investing in to security to prevent people from looking in to the coding/software side of their vehicles.

In 20 years, who knows where we'll be at. If/when self driving cars becomes main stream, imagine the world where you just own a subscription to a manufacturer or fleet company and you can just call on a vehicle immediately to take you to your destination, owning a car would be obsolete. Consumers may be happy as well as they don't have to pay for insurance or possibly fuel (if this is still a thing).

The future... I'm not looking forward to it while I still enjoy driving my vehicle recreationally and also owning and modifying my vehicle.

 

[gymratter]

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/threads/2023-nissan-z-out-in-public-in-times-square.437/

 

[Twundy]

Keep in mind a full suite of parts exists for the shared engine/platform Q50/Q60 Red Sport 400, probably wouldn't take too much to make it compatible with the 2023 Z.

Take for example AMS:
https://www.amsperformance.com/product-category/infiniti/

So far one of the top kits on the market is the AMS RA600 package (about $13k) which yields 670 WHP and 548 lb/ft of torque using upgraded Pure Turbos.

 

[bajanstefan]

If you have to sell one to buy another you're doing it wrong.

This sounds quite dickish, thought you should know so you can check yourself.

 

[AHP]

This sounds quite dickish, thought you should know so you can check yourself.

The irony is palpable. Try harder.

 

[Thill444]

Nothing really new. Still dont know the weight, don’t know the pricing (aside from a rumor of “around $40K” for the base), don’t have real performance numbers.

Overall its a nice package. But I cannot get over the front end On video and pictures, so maybe I will like it better on person, but I feel like Nissan got s lot right but missed the boat completely on the front end styling.

 

[JustaCarguy.]

Funny how so many people are hung up on "heritage" now when Porsche has always been given sht for the 911 being "the same" car since it's inception. I also remember the Challenger and Camaro getting mocked for the retro modern design approach as well. Gotta keep that same energy.

 

[Twundy]

Rendered in black, you don't notice too many of the design missteps such as that front end.

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