DesmoSD
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I'm actually surprised that you think it's looks beautiful.That does look beautiful in there.
Capable when the deck is closed.The old N54 is capable of 1000 whp. So is the S55, S54, M50, etc.
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I'm actually surprised that you think it's looks beautiful.That does look beautiful in there.
Capable when the deck is closed.The old N54 is capable of 1000 whp. So is the S55, S54, M50, etc.
Why are you surprised? Although I don't own a MKIV or any JZ platform car anymore, doesn't mean I dislike the 2JZ. Do I think it's outdated?....hell yes! Do I think it's crazy to swap a 25yr old engine in a 2020 car?...hell yes! Do I think the 2JZ sucks?....F**K NO!!I'm actually surprised that you think it's looks beautiful.
Because you just contradicted yourself in this post. Maybe you're talking in terms of beautiful=crazy.Why are you surprised? Although I don't own a MKIV or any JZ platform car anymore, doesn't mean I dislike the 2JZ. Do I think it's outdated?....hell yes! Do I think it's crazy to swap a 25yr old engine in a 2020 car?...hell yes! Do I think the 2JZ sucks?....F**K NO!!
I may have worded things wrong, but I never thought or think that the 2JZ is a shit engine. No way. I've personally put together a few of them and know them well enough not to disrespect that motor. However, I do believe it's design is old and newer engines are far superior in terms of technology than that motor. Durability and reliability is all the 2JZ has going for it...which is why every tuner loves it. Efficiency, weight, etc... the competition stomps it. This is not me saying it, this is a fact!Because you just contradicted yourself in this post. Maybe you're talking in terms of beautiful=crazy.
Since Tada suggested 4 cyl for 2JZ swaps, MKV's saved from being crashed, flood damaged, theft recoveries or for pure drift shock factor then we're going to see 2JZ swaps.
43% of the profits for a start.What parts are French on the GTR? Iāll wait.
I hear what you're saying but to add to the 2JZ was it's plethora of aftermarket parts. There wasn't really a direct competitor to the 2JZGTE until the B58. Define "stomps it"? It's proving to be a worthy engine but it's still too early to secure it's legacy even though it's been out for several years already.I may have worded things wrong, but I never thought or think that the 2JZ is a shit engine. No way. I've personally put together a few of them and know them well enough not to disrespect that motor. However, I do believe it's design is old and newer engines are far superior in terms of technology than that motor. Durability and reliability is all the 2JZ has going for it...which is why every tuner loves it. Efficiency, weight, etc... the competition stomps it. This is not me saying it, this is a fact!
S58 is a 2JZGTE competitor not the b58 .I hear what you're saying but to add to the 2JZ was it's plethora of aftermarket parts. There wasn't really a direct competitor to the 2JZGTE until the B58. Define "stomps it"? It's proving to be a worthy engine but it's still too early to secure it's legacy even though it's been out for several years already.
A closed deck certainly helps with the N54, but neither the S55, M50, nor the S54 are open deck.I'm actually surprised that you think it's looks beautiful.
Capable when the deck is closed.
I'm not saying it's not possible but the S55 was AL, the M50 weren't turbo while the B58 has the CGI on a turbo platform which is more similar to the 2JZA closed deck certainly helps with the N54, but neither the S55, M50, nor the S54 are open deck.
Yeah, but it's too late for that. On the bright side, "Hey we should be happy that Toyota actually brought back the Supra in the first place" as most people are saying.S58 is a 2JZGTE competitor not the b58 .
The B58 is not CGI. It is aluminum, for all versions including the TU revision.I'm not saying it's not possible but the S55 was AL, the M50 weren't turbo while the B58 has the CGI on a turbo platform which is more similar to the 2JZ
Yeah, but it's too late for that. On the bright side, "Hey we should be happy that Toyota actually brought back the Supra in the first place" as most people are saying.
I agree, I think the A90 is going to do very well in the aftermarket. A 335hp A90 does 0-60 in 4.1sec? Can you imagine what a 550-600hp A90 will do? Those are conservative numbers btw....it will be even more insane with hp numbers above that.Having recently restored a stock 2JZ-GTE myself from the ground up, from that long experience Iām now also of the mind that itās defintely a dinosuar performance engine from another era. Though itās a universe away from any performance carbureted V8 from the 1960ās or earlier and Iāve owned one of those too in a 302 Ford and loved it as well.
But the 2JZ-GTE is also one of the most brilliant now vintage engines Iāve ever experienced. Itās a first for me unlike others who have used this engine for years so Iām just enjoying the fun it doles out any time the key is turned.
However... it is now a vintage engine in what is now a vintage car. A modern-ish (ish) and surprisingly practical engine but an older design and system for sure.
The A90 and its slightly unique B58 engine are a totally fresh take on the same formula with modern technology. I donāt know if it will ultimatey live up to the total recorded potential of the almost unkillable 2JZ but those limits have always been the extreme and for those with exceedingly deep pockets.
Note Iām talking about the upper limits of the 2JZ design, not all that you can do with it below that. I do think there will be even more impressive variants but the version of the A90 out right now, with the exception of a manual, is a pretty good package to handle what *most* people set up their 2JZās to do anyway.
Itās not even going to be the only version available.
Iām interested to see what the tuning scene does with this car and its engine.
Some people want Installed a 2jz in new Supra why?I'm not saying it's not possible but the S55 was AL, the M50 weren't turbo while the B58 has the CGI on a turbo platform which is more similar to the 2JZ
Yeah, but it's too late for that. On the bright side, "Hey we should be happy that Toyota actually brought back the Supra in the first place" as most people are saying.
You firstSome people want Installed a 2jz in new Supra why?
B58: engine ~15k
not CGI block
TX 11 not a turbo race engine compression ratio
If you want increased internal change.
S58: ~>20k
Not CGI BLOCK
TX 9,7 good compression for turbo
Donāt forbid with s58 or b58 if you dent the cylinder you can change the engine
2jz gte engine cost 5k
Cgi block
TX 9,5
Many have already this 2jz and performance parts why change the engine